Australian Politics Forum - When The Court Rejects It

salad in

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 5941

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #15 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:59pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

When the court rejects labor's delegation to PNG of Australia's responsibility concerning refugees.

What then. Will we return to processing refugees on the mainland?

Due to the abstrusity of the law anything is possible. We've recently witnessed a case where a man was given a good behaviour bond of 2 years duration for having sex with his daughter when she was 9-year-old until she was about 14-years-old.

Anything is possible.

Back to top

The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

IP Logged

sir prince duke alevine

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 23619
Gender: male

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #16 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:00pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

When the court rejects labor's delegation to PNG of Australia's responsibility concerning refugees.

What then. Will we return to processing refugees on the mainland?

And why would they reject it?

The prospect of legal challenge is real because of grave doubts about whether obligations under the Refugee Convention and other treaties, like the Convention on the Rights of the Child, will be honoured.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/a-bold-step-by-rudd-...

The legal challenge on the refugee convention would not be domestic. It has to be international. But tell me, what domestic law has been broken?

Back to top

Disclaimer for Mothra per POST so it is forever acknowledged: Saying 'Islam' or 'Muslims' doesn't mean ALL muslims. This does not target individual muslims who's opinion I am not aware of.

IP Logged

Aussie

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 38677
Gender: male

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #17 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:08pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

When the court rejects labor's delegation to PNG of Australia's responsibility concerning refugees.

What then. Will we return to processing refugees on the mainland?

And why would they reject it?

The prospect of legal challenge is real because of grave doubts about whether obligations under the Refugee Convention and other treaties, like the Convention on the Rights of the Child, will be honoured.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/a-bold-step-by-rudd-...

Now we are in the shite. "Grave" huh! What makes them 'grave' as opposed to just 'doubts.'

Hyperbole much?

Back to top

IP Logged

alp4eva

Junior Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88
Gender: female

Re: When they lock the greens in padded cells?
Reply #18 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:10pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:39pm:

What happens when the psychiatrists order the greens locked in padded cells?

What rudd's right wingers want is illegal according to Australian law.
So what happens. Will anyone ask Mr Rudd before the election.

It took the ALP two PMs, 45000 illegal immigrants and 1300+ dead to come up with "Plan A".

Plan B will be thought about after Kevin has moved on from drowning them to having them raped, murdered and cannibalised.

Oh lookie it's tony jnr. Cry and cry and whine an whine, and when the solution comes .... Whine and whine and whine and whine.

I've seen your posts before. This one fits perfectly with the rest of your banal contributions.

When you come up with a coherent position that doesn't contradict your beliefs then feel free to come back and post something.

Why would I need to do that when I am pointing out the contradictions in yours and instead of a coherent response, there was your banality in all its glory.

I didn't really expect anything more from you because to address your contradictions would mean that you wouldn't be able to ignore them.

Never mind, continue on with being a stain on logic and Australia.

Back to top

IP Logged

sir prince duke alevine

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 23619
Gender: male

Re: When they lock the greens in padded cells?
Reply #19 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:11pm

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:39pm:

What happens when the psychiatrists order the greens locked in padded cells?

What rudd's right wingers want is illegal according to Australian law.
So what happens. Will anyone ask Mr Rudd before the election.

It took the ALP two PMs, 45000 illegal immigrants and 1300+ dead to come up with "Plan A".

Plan B will be thought about after Kevin has moved on from drowning them to having them raped, murdered and cannibalised.

Oh lookie it's tony jnr. Cry and cry and whine an whine, and when the solution comes .... Whine and whine and whine and whine.

I've seen your posts before. This one fits perfectly with the rest of your banal contributions.

When you come up with a coherent position that doesn't contradict your beliefs then feel free to come back and post something.

Why would I need to do that when I am pointing out the contradictions in yours and instead of a coherent response, there was your banality in all its glory.

I didn't really expect anything more from you because to address your contradictions would mean that you wouldn't be able to ignore them.

Never mind, continue on with being a stain on logic and Australia.

What contradiction of mine? Care you provide the posts where I have contradicted myself?

Back to top

Disclaimer for Mothra per POST so it is forever acknowledged: Saying 'Islam' or 'Muslims' doesn't mean ALL muslims. This does not target individual muslims who's opinion I am not aware of.

IP Logged

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #20 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:14pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

When the court rejects labor's delegation to PNG of Australia's responsibility concerning refugees.

What then. Will we return to processing refugees on the mainland?

And why would they reject it?

The prospect of legal challenge is real because of grave doubts about whether obligations under the Refugee Convention and other treaties, like the Convention on the Rights of the Child, will be honoured.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/a-bold-step-by-rudd-...

The legal challenge on the refugee convention would not be domestic. It has to be international. But tell me, what domestic law has been broken?

I have answered your original question. If you require information on the fine print,

In the words of the cruel sea ... better get yourself a lawyer son. Better get yourself a good one.

Now back to my question.
What happens when the court rejects it.

Back to top

IP Logged

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #21 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:16pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

When the court rejects labor's delegation to PNG of Australia's responsibility concerning refugees.

What then. Will we return to processing refugees on the mainland?

And why would they reject it?

The prospect of legal challenge is real because of grave doubts about whether obligations under the Refugee Convention and other treaties, like the Convention on the Rights of the Child, will be honoured.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/a-bold-step-by-rudd-...

Now we are in the shite. "Grave" huh! What makes them 'grave' as opposed to just 'doubts.'

Hyperbole much?

What of family reunion. Rudd says they will never step on Australian soil. What if their families are already here?

Back to top

IP Logged

Aussie

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 38677
Gender: male

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #22 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:37pm

Quote:

What of family reunion. Rudd says they will never step on Australian soil. What if their families are already here?

We will all just have to wait and see if anyone who has been accepted as a refugee by PNG will actually be prevented from migrating from there as a PNG citizen to Australia for a family re-union. Somehow, I doubt there will be any problem. They can show up at the Aussie Embassy at Port Moresby, apply for migration to Australia, and Bob's yer Uncle if they meet requirement that any other PNG citizen would have to meet.

Back to top

IP Logged

Maqqa

Gold Member

Offline

14% - that low?!

Posts: 16000

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #23 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:43pm

Whatever the court decision - the winner will be the LIBs

If court rejects - Rudd will have egg on his face

If court accepts - Milne will have egg on her face

After the election - all Abbott has to do is sit back and wait.

If the PNG Solution works - he can claim credit just like Wendy did as he claimed the Greatest Treasurer title

If the PNG Solution fails - he can blame Rudd

Back to top

Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

IP Logged

woof woof Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1518 Gender:	Re: When The Court Rejects It Reply #24 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:48pm yeah you can "apply" to migrate here, but will you be accepted??? Just because you apply don't mean you'll get accepted???
Back to top	IP Logged

Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38677 Gender:	Re: When The Court Rejects It Reply #25 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:16pm woof woof wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:48pm: yeah you can "apply" to migrate here, but will you be accepted??? Just because you apply don't mean you'll get accepted??? Well, that is when you get all uppity about your rights to migrate, and start paying lawyers.
Back to top	IP Logged

Andrei.Hicks

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 23818
Carlsbad, CA
Gender: male

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #26 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:56pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

Quote:

What of family reunion. Rudd says they will never step on Australian soil. What if their families are already here?

We will all just have to wait and see if anyone who has been accepted as a refugee by PNG will actually be prevented from migrating from there as a PNG citizen to Australia for a family re-union. Somehow, I doubt there will be any problem. They can show up at the Aussie Embassy at Port Moresby, apply for migration to Australia, and Bob's yer Uncle if they meet requirement that any other PNG citizen would have to meet.

Problem is that - as Amnesty International point out - PNG has signed the Convention for Refugees but opted out of the articles on providing freedom of movement, housing, unemployment and rights to citizenship.
PNG also has significant human rights issues.

These people will not be well treated.

But hey if it beats Tony Abbott send them there right Aussie?

Back to top

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde

IP Logged

woof woof

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 1518
Gender: male

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #27 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:01pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

Quote:

What of family reunion. Rudd says they will never step on Australian soil. What if their families are already here?

We will all just have to wait and see if anyone who has been accepted as a refugee by PNG will actually be prevented from migrating from there as a PNG citizen to Australia for a family re-union. Somehow, I doubt there will be any problem. They can show up at the Aussie Embassy at Port Moresby, apply for migration to Australia, and Bob's yer Uncle if they meet requirement that any other PNG citizen would have to meet.

Problem is that - as Amnesty International point out - PNG has signed the Convention for Refugees but opted out of the articles on providing freedom of movement, housing, unemployment and rights to citizenship.
PNG also has significant human rights issues.

These people will not be well treated.

But hey if it beats Tony Abbott send them there right Aussie?

what's doing here this is not an Andrei post you hate the floating garbage that come here?? have you signed in with the wrong alias???

Back to top

IP Logged

Datalife

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2405
Gender: male

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #28 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:01pm

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:43pm:

Whatever the court decision - the winner will be the LIBs

If court rejects - Rudd will have egg on his face

If court accepts - Milne will have egg on her face

After the election - all Abbott has to do is sit back and wait.

If the PNG Solution works - he can claim credit just like Wendy did as he claimed the Greatest Treasurer title

If the PNG Solution fails - he can blame Rudd

That's the way I see it as well.

Back to top

"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

Kevin Rudd on 2GB, July 12, 2007

IP Logged

Aussie

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 38677
Gender: male

Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #29 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:26pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:37pm:

Quote:

What of family reunion. Rudd says they will never step on Australian soil. What if their families are already here?

We will all just have to wait and see if anyone who has been accepted as a refugee by PNG will actually be prevented from migrating from there as a PNG citizen to Australia for a family re-union. Somehow, I doubt there will be any problem. They can show up at the Aussie Embassy at Port Moresby, apply for migration to Australia, and Bob's yer Uncle if they meet requirement that any other PNG citizen would have to meet.

Problem is that - as Amnesty International point out - PNG has signed the Convention for Refugees but opted out of the articles on providing freedom of movement, housing, unemployment and rights to citizenship.
PNG also has significant human rights issues.

These people will not be well treated.

But hey if it beats Tony Abbott send them there right Aussie?

Gee, I wonder how many of Achmed's customers will be rushing to get on his boat in those circumstances, wot? Abbott wanted to stop the boats, yes? Rudd's solution probably has, and he has not had to send any leaky boat back or involved our Navy in any dangerous rescue operations, unless of course Achmed has printed out some glossy brochures making the well kept secret delights of equatorial tropical PNG better known.

The aim is to stop Achmed. Do you agree this scheme does exactly that?

Back to top

IP Logged