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alp4eva Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88 Gender:	Re: When The Court Rejects It Reply #30 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:31pm But they won't stop Achmed. Achmeds clients are fleeing persecution so will still get on boats according to the left.
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Reply #31 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:36pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

When the court rejects labor's delegation to PNG of Australia's responsibility concerning refugees.

What then. Will we return to processing refugees on the mainland?

the lawyer that took us to court and WON over the Malaysian deal.... has also said there could be a court case and it stands a very good chance of ending up the same way...

he looked very happy...

I would not be counting any chickens thats for sure.

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Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #33 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:41pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:31pm:

But they won't stop Achmed. Achmeds clients are fleeing persecution so will still get on boats according to the left.

I did not ask the left. I asked you. Will it work? Will it stop Achmed.

Not as well or as cheaply as turning the boats around.

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Reply #34 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:42pm

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

____ wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

When the court rejects labor's delegation to PNG of Australia's responsibility concerning refugees.

What then. Will we return to processing refugees on the mainland?

And why would they reject it?

The prospect of legal challenge is real because of grave doubts about whether obligations under the Refugee Convention and other treaties, like the Convention on the Rights of the Child, will be honoured.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/a-bold-step-by-rudd-...

The legal challenge on the refugee convention would not be domestic. It has to be international. But tell me, what domestic law has been broken?

I have answered your original question. If you require information on the fine print,

In the words of the cruel sea ... better get yourself a lawyer son. Better get yourself a good one.

Now back to my question.
What happens when the court rejects it.

So the court will reject it based on a domestic law... But you don't know which one.

Got it.

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Reply #35 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:46pm

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:31pm:

But they won't stop Achmed. Achmeds clients are fleeing persecution so will still get on boats according to the left.

I did not ask the left. I asked you. Will it work? Will it stop Achmed.

Not as well or as cheaply as turning the boats around.

So you agree....it will work in stopping Achmed. Goodo.

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Reply #36 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:47pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

So the court will reject it based on a domestic law... But you don't know which one.

Got it.

I don't believe I am defending you here ale - but I dislike the Greens more than I dislike Labor

The challenge was never about a domestic law being broken but rather about Australia meeting it's UN Refugee Convention Obligation - so your point with Green_poo is correct

You will note 3 days ago Rudd flag the point that the UN Refugee convention should be changed

This suggests that he's afraid his PNG Solution would go down the same path as the Malaysian Solution

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Reply #37 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:48pm

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:31pm:

But they won't stop Achmed. Achmeds clients are fleeing persecution so will still get on boats according to the left.

I did not ask the left. I asked you. Will it work? Will it stop Achmed.

Not as well or as cheaply as turning the boats around.

I see English comprehension is not your strong point.
ok so we have another righty with f ck all brains.

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Reply #38 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:49pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:31pm:

But they won't stop Achmed. Achmeds clients are fleeing persecution so will still get on boats according to the left.

I did not ask the left. I asked you. Will it work? Will it stop Achmed.

Not as well or as cheaply as turning the boats around.

So you agree....it will work in stopping Achmed. Goodo.

I said not as well or as cheaply as turning the boats around. Waving a go home banner from the beach at Port Hedland also won't work as well as turning back the boats, but that would also be cheaper.

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Reply #39 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:49pm

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

So the court will reject it based on a domestic law... But you don't know which one.

Got it.

I don't believe I am defending you here ale - but I dislike the Greens more than I dislike Labor

The challenge was never about a domestic law being broken but rather about Australia meeting it's UN Refugee Convention Obligation - so your point with Green_poo is correct

You will note 3 days ago Rudd flag the point that the UN Refugee convention should be changed

This suggests that he's afraid his PNG Solution would go down the same path as the Malaysian Solution

The Malaysian solution broke the migration act. Hence they changed it.

What act/law/whatever, domestically, does the png deal break?

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Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #40 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:51pm

scope wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:39pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:31pm:

But they won't stop Achmed. Achmeds clients are fleeing persecution so will still get on boats according to the left.

I did not ask the left. I asked you. Will it work? Will it stop Achmed.

Not as well or as cheaply as turning the boats around.

I see English comprehension is not your strong point.
ok so we have another righty with f ck all brains.

If you want to cheer from the sidelines I suggest your mothers bedroom would be the best place for you to be.

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Reply #41 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:52pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

So the court will reject it based on a domestic law... But you don't know which one.

Got it.

I don't believe I am defending you here ale - but I dislike the Greens more than I dislike Labor

The challenge was never about a domestic law being broken but rather about Australia meeting it's UN Refugee Convention Obligation - so your point with Green_poo is correct

You will note 3 days ago Rudd flag the point that the UN Refugee convention should be changed

This suggests that he's afraid his PNG Solution would go down the same path as the Malaysian Solution

The Malaysian solution broke the migration act. Hence they changed it.

What act/law/whatever, domestically, does the png deal break?

We will find out soon enough when yet another ALP plan goes arse up.

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Reply #42 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:55pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

So the court will reject it based on a domestic law... But you don't know which one.

Got it.

I don't believe I am defending you here ale - but I dislike the Greens more than I dislike Labor

The challenge was never about a domestic law being broken but rather about Australia meeting it's UN Refugee Convention Obligation - so your point with Green_poo is correct

You will note 3 days ago Rudd flag the point that the UN Refugee convention should be changed

This suggests that he's afraid his PNG Solution would go down the same path as the Malaysian Solution

The Malaysian solution broke the migration act. Hence they changed it.

What act/law/whatever, domestically, does the png deal break?

You didn't understand it - I'll spell it out again

PNG Solution could go down the Malaysian Solution path because it could contravene our UN Refugee Convention obligations

In the case of Malaysia - they are not signatory to the Convention therefore if Australia couldn't send them there under the swap.

Gillard wanted the laws changed so that she could send them there

The difference now is PNG is signatory to the Convention therefore Rudd believe he can send them

The issue is - given the high crime rates and civil unrest there's no guarantee the people being sent there will be safe

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Reply #43 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:57pm

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:52pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

So the court will reject it based on a domestic law... But you don't know which one.

Got it.

I don't believe I am defending you here ale - but I dislike the Greens more than I dislike Labor

The challenge was never about a domestic law being broken but rather about Australia meeting it's UN Refugee Convention Obligation - so your point with Green_poo is correct

You will note 3 days ago Rudd flag the point that the UN Refugee convention should be changed

This suggests that he's afraid his PNG Solution would go down the same path as the Malaysian Solution

The Malaysian solution broke the migration act. Hence they changed it.

What act/law/whatever, domestically, does the png deal break?

We will find out soon enough when yet another ALP plan goes arse up.

Aww poor little drongo is not happy he won't be seeing his weekly entertainment of boats being turned back at sea on the tv news.
Perhaps drongo you can explain what law this plan breaks. Because at the moment it's wishful thinking by those eager to either keep the political debate alive, or eager to see people die at sea.

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Reply #44 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:59pm

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

So the court will reject it based on a domestic law... But you don't know which one.

Got it.

I don't believe I am defending you here ale - but I dislike the Greens more than I dislike Labor

The challenge was never about a domestic law being broken but rather about Australia meeting it's UN Refugee Convention Obligation - so your point with Green_poo is correct

You will note 3 days ago Rudd flag the point that the UN Refugee convention should be changed

This suggests that he's afraid his PNG Solution would go down the same path as the Malaysian Solution

The Malaysian solution broke the migration act. Hence they changed it.

What act/law/whatever, domestically, does the png deal break?

You didn't understand it - I'll spell it out again

PNG Solution could go down the Malaysian Solution path because it could contravene our UN Refugee Convention obligations

In the case of Malaysia - they are not signatory to the Convention therefore if Australia couldn't send them there under the swap.

Gillard wanted the laws changed so that she could send them there

The difference now is PNG is signatory to the Convention therefore Rudd believe he can send them

The issue is - given the high crime rates and civil unrest there's no guarantee the people being sent there will be safe

You have no idea between domestic migration act and the refugee convention,

Have a nice day maq and save up your energy. I don't need your explainations.

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