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Reply #45 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:02pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

So the court will reject it based on a domestic law... But you don't know which one.

Got it.

I don't believe I am defending you here ale - but I dislike the Greens more than I dislike Labor

The challenge was never about a domestic law being broken but rather about Australia meeting it's UN Refugee Convention Obligation - so your point with Green_poo is correct

You will note 3 days ago Rudd flag the point that the UN Refugee convention should be changed

This suggests that he's afraid his PNG Solution would go down the same path as the Malaysian Solution

The Malaysian solution broke the migration act. Hence they changed it.

What act/law/whatever, domestically, does the png deal break?

You didn't understand it - I'll spell it out again

PNG Solution could go down the Malaysian Solution path because it could contravene our UN Refugee Convention obligations

In the case of Malaysia - they are not signatory to the Convention therefore if Australia couldn't send them there under the swap.

Gillard wanted the laws changed so that she could send them there

The difference now is PNG is signatory to the Convention therefore Rudd believe he can send them

The issue is - given the high crime rates and civil unrest there's no guarantee the people being sent there will be safe

You have no idea between domestic migration act and the refugee convention,

Have a nice day maq and save up your energy. I don't need your explainations.

Back under your rock ale

I understand very well

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Reply #46 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:02pm

I remember Bowen and the ALP saying that the Malaysian solution was "rock solid" they have "the best" advice back then too. Are you willing to stake that tiny little pustule that represents your reputation that they haven't cocked this one up too?

Or are you just going to carry on as you did last time with your fingers in your ears going lalalalalallalalala?

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Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #48 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:04pm

Maqqa wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:55pm:

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The issue is - given the high crime rates and civil unrest there's no guarantee the people being sent there will be safe

Your issue maybe but on one elses, except the rapidly dwindling lunatic Green party. Christine Milne actually cried on TV today for the refugees. what an embarrasment to the party. I presume you will be voting for them Maqqa since your beleif system obviously follows theirs.

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Reply #49 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:05pm

The Greens had a golden opportunity handed to them on a plate with
the increased presence they gained in 2007 and 2010.

Then, by virtually blackmailing Gillard into introducing the CT, they not
only helped to destroy her career, but blighted their own popularity at the
same time.

Now that Rudd is back at the throttle, and has decided to push ahead with
his ETS (which the Greens hated( and dump the CT, the Greens are carrying
on like a 14 year-old whose girl's gone off with another boy.

All Rudd is doing is what he went to the polls in 2007 saying he was going to
do. There's no back-flip or reversal here. Turning away from unpopular or
unworkable policy is not back-flipping (unless you're Labor, it would seem).

Labor has gone from being an ally in a (sort-of) coalition Government, to
being a bigger enemy than the Con-alition virtually overnight.

And he's decided to 'stop the boats'. And haven't the Con-alition and its
beauty-chorus been carrying-on?? Abbott's boat may still have masts, but
the sails and rudder (??) have been shot away and there's water in the
petrol, to continue a metaphor.

So now they're all at each other's throats. And you know who's shining
through?

That's right. Rudd.

Ah, smack, I'm laughing..... Laughing so smacking hard, my ribs are aching!!!

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alp4eva Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88 Gender:	Re: When The Court Rejects It Reply #50 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:06pm My issue is that these useless idiots keep trying and failing the most expensive unproven ideas that they can, but are completely unwilling to implement a relatively cheap and known working solution.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: When The Court Rejects It Reply #51 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09pm alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:06pm: My issue is that these useless idiots keep trying and failing the most expensive unproven ideas that they can, but are completely unwilling to implement a relatively cheap and known working solution. Machine gun the boats as they come in?
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Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #52 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:12pm

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:02pm:

I remember Bowen and the ALP saying that the Malaysian solution was "rock solid" they have "the best" advice back then too. Are you willing to stake that tiny little pustule that represents your reputation that they haven't cocked this one up too?

Or are you just going to carry on as you did last time with your fingers in your ears going lalalalalallalalala?

The Malaysia solution contravened the migration act as a clause deemed a country can only be used as a destination of off shore processing if the country had proper processes for refugee assessment and safeguards for refugees. That was removed by labor and the coalition and it now simply says " country has to be a member to the refugee convention.". Which png is.

So what law is this solution breaking?

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Reply #53 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:13pm

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

My issue is that these useless idiots keep trying and failing the most expensive unproven ideas that they can, but are completely unwilling to implement a relatively cheap and known working solution.

Which contradicts their own stance of a country having to be a member to te refugee convention, but it's okay, because we are turning boats back in international waters and our domestic laws don't apply. D1ckheads.

And yay to putting our navy at risk and for boats being scuttled! Relatively easy!

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Reply #54 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:13pm

ian wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

My issue is that these useless idiots keep trying and failing the most expensive unproven ideas that they can, but are completely unwilling to implement a relatively cheap and known working solution.

Machine gun the boats as they come in?

There's a few here who'd support that.

Sadly.

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Reply #55 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:14pm

ian wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

My issue is that these useless idiots keep trying and failing the most expensive unproven ideas that they can, but are completely unwilling to implement a relatively cheap and known working solution.

Machine gun the boats as they come in?

Turn the boats around and machine gun the leftys is my preference, but I'd be more than happy with just machine gunning the leftys. Even dole bludging asylum seekers are preferable to leftys, not to mention how much fun it would be.

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Reply #56 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:19pm

Notice how many boats are sinking these days? Surprise, surprise, its because the people smugglers have worked out they only need to use boats that can put out to sea and send a distress signal then we must rescue them. All this has been discussed previously. Perhaps you think we should subsidise the people smugglers to buy better boats so we can turn them back more easily. This theory is why Abbott is an intellectual baboon and I fail to understand why even those with simple intelligence can not comprehend it.

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Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #57 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:20pm

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:14pm:

ian wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

My issue is that these useless idiots keep trying and failing the most expensive unproven ideas that they can, but are completely unwilling to implement a relatively cheap and known working solution.

Machine gun the boats as they come in?

Turn the boats around and machine gun the leftys is my preference, but I'd be more than happy with just machine gunning the leftys. Even dole bludging asylum seekers are preferable to leftys, not to mention how much fun it would be.

Well, you sound like a bit of a dill, don't you?

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Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #58 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:22pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:

So you agree....it will work in stopping Achmed. Goodo.

You presume that Rudd has announced it, therefore it will happen? Grin

Do you have no caveats in mind at all? No capacity for forward thinking and assessing risk?

In the absence of any detail you are oblivious to potential problems, pitfalls, legal challenges, political issues or potential crippling costs of the proposed solution and totally unconcerned with Labors late history of fvucking every policy they attempt? As far as you are concerned the problem is now sorted?

I have never thought you were too bright Aussie and this confirms my opinion of you not being much of a thinker or planner and certainly not capable of pre-emptive or strategic thought.

I know the line you would have taken if Abbott had announced this as an election policy, you are just another hypocritical lefty with the usual flexible outrage. Rudd has announced a policy that if announced by Abbott you would not abide yet here you are defending it. Cool

Still, just the usual from the one eyed rusted ons.

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"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

Kevin Rudd on 2GB, July 12, 2007

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Re: When The Court Rejects It
Reply #59 - Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:24pm

Kat wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:14pm:

ian wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:09pm:

alp4eva wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

My issue is that these useless idiots keep trying and failing the most expensive unproven ideas that they can, but are completely unwilling to implement a relatively cheap and known working solution.

Machine gun the boats as they come in?

Turn the boats around and machine gun the leftys is my preference, but I'd be more than happy with just machine gunning the leftys. Even dole bludging asylum seekers are preferable to leftys, not to mention how much fun it would be.

Well, you sound like a bit of a dill, don't you?

Well, you sound like a bit of an annoying fking cvunthole, don't you?

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