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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #45 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:02pm

well for a start crow...

they'll have to build their new possessing Buildings and Housing to house them... maybe a Mess Hall.. phones so that they can rack up millions of dollars of phone calls back home.... a million dollars on smokes... the list goes on... it just doesn't stop...

then they'll end up in Australia anyways...

this is all smoke and mirrors by Kevin Kardashian..

and like I said... just turn the buggars back and if wont cost one extra cent...

do you guys even know how many boats Howard turned back before they stopped?

huh?

I do...

just 4 .............. WOW RIGHT!! Shocked

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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #46 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:02pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:40pm:

Not only is it a humanitarian solution, it’s a disincentive - who wants to live in New Guinea?

If they want to get to Australia from Papua New Guinea, they will need to pay an extra fee: you will need to give us your clothes and get there naked. You will then spend one year as a prostitute dancing around poles. If you're a man, we will force you to watch your wife get raped. Your children will have naked pictures of them uploaded onto the Internet. Cheesy

True Blue... wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 6:02pm:

and yet some of the nincompoops on here like Skippy think that PNG will welcome these economic bludgers with open arms, take them in, build houses for them, give them welfare to live on, pay for all medical expenses, build new hospitals to care for them and pay for their funeral when they die…

Papuans are nice people. They aren't selfish, stingy and materialistic like us Australians. That's why their mean incomes are so low compared to our's. Cheesy

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Reply #47 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:17pm

If you put politics aside and look at this dispassionately; it could go two ways.

1. Rudd could have created an economic hell hole which will cost this Country untold billions on top of the 12 billion dollars Rudd has already cost us because he f....d up a boat policy that was truly working and...let 46,000 bludgers in on us.

Scenario 2

2. Rudd could have pulled off a genuinely clever bit of work. The last place on earth Country Shoppers would want to go to would be PNG, however for a genuine refugee it may well represent freedom.

The word will be well and truly out from everywhere from Indonesia to downtown Afghanistan etc.

WE will now see what a damper this move has.

There is a real possibility it could stem the tide.

Either way you look at it, Rudd is either fixing his first f.... up or creating a bigger one.

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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #48 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:27pm

red baron wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:17pm:

If you put politics aside and look at this dispassionately; it could go two ways.

1. Rudd could have created an economic hell hole which will cost this Country untold billions on top of the 12 billion dollars Rudd has already cost us because he f....d up a boat policy that was truly working and...let 46,000 bludgers in on us.

Scenario 2

2. Rudd could have pulled off a genuinely clever bit of work. The last place on earth Country Shoppers would want to go to would be PNG, however for a genuine refugee it may well represent freedom.

The word will be well and truly out from everywhere from Indonesia to downtown Afghanistan etc.

WE will now see what a damper this move has.

There is a real possibility it could stem the tide.

Either way you look at it, Rudd is either fixing his first f.... up or creating a bigger one.

Mr Baron, would you like another go at that post, looking at it dispassionately?

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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #49 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:36pm

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Mr Hockey also alleged people sent to PNG by Labor could end up on Centrelink and MediCare "for the rest of their lives"

A TOTALLY baseless ASSUMPTION

If these refugees are settled in New Guinea - they have NO ACCESS to EITHER

( ... even as the panic sets in, Joe was being careful with his words - choosing "could" - over "would")

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Reply #50 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:43pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:36pm:

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Mr Hockey also alleged people sent to PNG by Labor could end up on Centrelink and MediCare "for the rest of their lives"

A TOTALLY baseless ASSUMPTION

If these refugees are settled in New Guinea - they have NO ACCESS to EITHER

( ... even as the panic sets in, Joe was being careful with his words - choosing "could" - over "would")

You got a reference for that or like everyone else (who possesses brains) shouldn't you be waiting for the details?

If they get the full dole over there they will be living like kings and I cannot see the locals liking that too much.

As with everything Rudd, devil is in the detail and implementation and so far he has not got a good record. Belay that, he has a shocking record.

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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #51 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:45pm

Datalife wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:43pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:36pm:

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Mr Hockey also alleged people sent to PNG by Labor could end up on Centrelink and MediCare "for the rest of their lives"

A TOTALLY baseless ASSUMPTION

If these refugees are settled in New Guinea - they have NO ACCESS to EITHER

( ... even as the panic sets in, Joe was being careful with his words - choosing "could" - over "would")

You got a reference for that or like everyone else (who possesses brains) shouldn't you be waiting for the details?

If they get the full dole over there they will be living like kings and I cannot see the locals liking that too much.

As with everything Rudd, devil is in the detail and implementation and so far he has not got a good record. Belay that, he has a shocking record.

a reference for what? the fact that it's a baseless assumption? ... you just said we need to wait for the details ... or do you think Hockey got all the details ahead of everyone else?

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink Reply #52 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:52pm adelcrow wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 6:28pm: Rocker surgery is needed when your off your rocker I thought that was when I rebuilt the top half of my car's motor....
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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #53 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:58pm

red baron wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:17pm:

If you put politics aside and look at this dispassionately; it could go two ways.

1. Rudd could have created an economic hell hole which will cost this Country untold billions on top of the 12 billion dollars Rudd has already cost us because he f....d up a boat policy that was truly working and...let 46,000 bludgers in on us.

Scenario 2

2. Rudd could have pulled off a genuinely clever bit of work. The last place on earth Country Shoppers would want to go to would be PNG, however for a genuine refugee it may well represent freedom.

The word will be well and truly out from everywhere from Indonesia to downtown Afghanistan etc.

WE will now see what a damper this move has.

There is a real possibility it could stem the tide.

Either way you look at it, Rudd is either fixing his first f.... up or creating a bigger one.

Crikey!!
I'd hate to see how you would have worded that if you hadn't put politics aside and looked at this dispassionately......

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14211 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink Reply #54 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:59pm True Blue... wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:02pm: do you guys even know how many boats Howard turned back before THEY stopped? huh? I do... just 4 .............. WOW RIGHT!! do you know how many ( ... Vietnamese) boats Hawke turned back before they stopped ? Not a ONE, in nine years
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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #55 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:59pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:45pm:

Datalife wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:43pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:36pm:

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Mr Hockey also alleged people sent to PNG by Labor could end up on Centrelink and MediCare "for the rest of their lives"

A TOTALLY baseless ASSUMPTION

If these refugees are settled in New Guinea - they have NO ACCESS to EITHER

( ... even as the panic sets in, Joe was being careful with his words - choosing "could" - over "would")

You got a reference for that or like everyone else (who possesses brains) shouldn't you be waiting for the details?

If they get the full dole over there they will be living like kings and I cannot see the locals liking that too much.

As with everything Rudd, devil is in the detail and implementation and so far he has not got a good record. Belay that, he has a shocking record.

a reference for what? the fact that it's a baseless assumption? ... you just said we need to wait for the details ... or do you think Hockey got all the details ahead of everyone else?

No dimwit, a reference to the assertion that those being resettled in PNG having no access to medicare or centrelink.

I cannot believe I just had to explain that to you. You are dumber than I initially thought.

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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #56 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:01pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:36pm:

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Mr Hockey also alleged people sent to PNG by Labor could end up on Centrelink and MediCare "for the rest of their lives"

A TOTALLY baseless ASSUMPTION

If these refugees are settled in New Guinea - they have NO ACCESS to EITHER

( ... even as the panic sets in, Joe was being careful with his words - choosing "could" - over "would")

Not an 'assumption', Buzz!

An out and out LIE!!

Will be interesting to see how many times he repeats the lie, and how loud.

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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #58 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:18pm

Datalife wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:43pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:36pm:

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Mr Hockey also alleged people sent to PNG by Labor could end up on Centrelink and MediCare "for the rest of their lives"

A TOTALLY baseless ASSUMPTION

If these refugees are settled in New Guinea - they have NO ACCESS to EITHER

( ... even as the panic sets in, Joe was being careful with his words - choosing "could" - over "would")

You got a reference for that or like everyone else (who possesses brains) shouldn't you be waiting for the details?

If they get the full dole over there ...

NO-ONE gets the dole - living outside of Australian territories
Once PROCESSED - and settled in New Guinea ( ... or rejected and sent packing) they are no longer Australia's responsibility

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Re: People sent to PNG to end up on Centrelink
Reply #59 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:23pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:40pm:

mantra wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 5:32pm:

There will be few boats arrive once they know they're going to be sent to PNG and combined with the reward for the smugglers - it will slow the trade right down.

It's a strong deterrant - like the Pacific Solution. The right whingers have been braying for years for Abbott to revamp Howard's old policies. They should be happy even if Rudd did come up with the idea first.

This isn’t the Pacific Solution at all. It’s residency in another country.

The Pacific Solution was a network of offshore prisons. This is resettlement.

Not only is it a humanitarian solution, it’s a disincentive - who wants to live in New Guinea?

This week, we’ll see.

I’ll put a grand down on no boats by Friday.

I know it's not the Pacific Solution (my ambiguous wording), but it should be just as effective. You might be right about the boats stopping. PNG is definitely a place no-one would go to willingly for resettlement.

As our refugee intake has now increased to 20 or 25,000 - staying in a camp in Indonesia waiting in line to be brought here safely will look like a good alternative.

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