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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #15 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:47pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 6:42pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 6:27pm:

apx 50/50 TPP polling for tweedle dee/dum

The recipe for a hung parliament.

So where will the alliances fall this time.

Will Abbott get in bed with Katter
Will Rudd go down on Clive
Will Greens be the King Makers

Whats your call on this hung parliament about to be voted in.

Palmer will win nothing.
agreed in fact he could lose a lot of.money

Abbott picks up both retiring independents seats..

probably.. I think the people in the independent seats wont be fooled by rudd

Greens will maybe stay as they are at best. They've lost a lot of charisma replacing Brown with a nobody.

I really thought they would lose.. but now we have the PNG plot..I think that could go in greens favor..an awful lot of people dont like it..rumors are abound here rudd will announce the election tomorrow..there is going to be a protest tomorrow regarding PNG.....an uprising..oh gawd!

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #16 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:51pm

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

in effect, no one. From the time an election is called government goes into a holding pattern until a winner is declared.

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #17 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:52pm

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

unfortunately we have what we call independen ts.. they are people who can run for govt without being part of a party..in the last election. 4 independents got seat in govt.. the two major parties. were hung.. meaning neither had enough seats to run the govt.. so both parties had to do deals.. make offers to the independents to get their votes...1 independent went with the Libs.. the other 3 went Labor... so labor under Julia Gillard became the govt..

it isnt the best as you can imagine..so we at least I am hoping it doesnt happen again...

it gives far too much POWER to minorities..

if its unworkable we should I believe have another election..we shouldnt have people who only get over the line with preferences telling the govt what they can and cant do..

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #18 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:54pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:35pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:26pm:

How objective are you?

Did you vote ALP last time? Going to vote ALP this time?

At least be honest.

Are you dam stupid or are you just plain stupid? I've told you many times that I consider myself a labor man ... don't try this 'at least be honest' crap with me, you wouldn't know what honest is ....

by the way, do you think I didn't notice that you avoided responding to my comment about you voting labor??? ... before you question anyone else's honesty, at least have the decency to be honest with yourself.

So a description of "a Labor man" means you won't vote anyone else, don't vote on policy and are basically a cheerleader rather than basing around policies....

Never understood such people.

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #19 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:00pm

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:52pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

unfortunately we have what we call independen ts.. they are people who can run for govt without being part of a party..in the last election. 4 independents got seat in govt.. the two major parties. were hung.. meaning neither had enough seats to run the govt.. so both parties had to do deals.. make offers to the independents to get their votes...1 independent went with the Libs.. the other 3 went Labor... so labor under Julia Gillard became the govt..

it isnt the best as you can imagine..so we at least I am hoping it doesnt happen again...

it gives far too much POWER to minorities..

if its unworkable we should I believe have another election..we shouldnt have people who only get over the line with preferences telling the govt what they can and cant do..

Wrong cods, the conservatives have had to have coalition for seventy odd years, so the TWO MAJOR PARTIES DID NOT HANG or HUNG, the conservatives, even with a coalition could not form a government.

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #20 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:01pm

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:52pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

unfortunately we have what we call independen ts.. they are people who can run for govt without being part of a party..in the last election. 4 independents got seat in govt.. the two major parties. were hung.. meaning neither had enough seats to run the govt.. so both parties had to do deals.. make offers to the independents to get their votes...1 independent went with the Libs.. the other 3 went Labor... so labor under Julia Gillard became the govt..

it isnt the best as you can imagine..so we at least I am hoping it doesnt happen again...

Actually, the system is EXACTLY the same for our House of Representatives. Theoretically, its entirely possible that the same could happen here although highly unlikely. After an election and the new Congress is sworn in, all members vote for the Speaker who effectively runs the House. The Speaker is 3rd in line to the Presidency -- both parties vote for their leader (usually the majority and minority leaders) to be the Speaker. Whoever has the most seats wins; however, it's entirely possible that there could be a tie with the possibility of one or more independents to "woo" to one side or the other. However, that's not likely!

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #21 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:35pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:26pm:

How objective are you?

Did you vote ALP last time? Going to vote ALP this time?

At least be honest.

Are you dam stupid or are you just plain stupid? I've told you many times that I consider myself a labor man ... don't try this 'at least be honest' crap with me, you wouldn't know what honest is ....

by the way, do you think I didn't notice that you avoided responding to my comment about you voting labor??? ... before you question anyone else's honesty, at least have the decency to be honest with yourself.

So a description of "a Labor man" means you won't vote anyone else, don't vote on policy and are basically a cheerleader rather than basing around policies....

Never understood such people.

And I've voted for 5 different parties or Independents in my time.

It's called voting based on analysis of policy. Some of us have that ability rather than being a lemming.

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #22 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:10pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:51pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

in effect, no one. From the time an election is called government goes into a holding pattern until a winner is declared.

you are wrong. Parliament is closed down but executive power remains with the prime minister and cabinet until a new PM and cabinet are appointed. Howard was still PM the day after the election n he lost. The convention of course is that post election, the PM (or premier) makes no decisions but it is only a convention. technically, an election is simply to choose anew parliament which itelsef chooses a new executive (PM and ministers)

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #23 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:14pm

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:01pm:

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:52pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

unfortunately we have what we call independen ts.. they are people who can run for govt without being part of a party..in the last election. 4 independents got seat in govt.. the two major parties. were hung.. meaning neither had enough seats to run the govt.. so both parties had to do deals.. make offers to the independents to get their votes...1 independent went with the Libs.. the other 3 went Labor... so labor under Julia Gillard became the govt..

it isnt the best as you can imagine..so we at least I am hoping it doesnt happen again...

Actually, the system is EXACTLY the same for our House of Representatives. Theoretically, its entirely possible that the same could happen here although highly unlikely. After an election and the new Congress is sworn in, all members vote for the Speaker who effectively runs the House. The Speaker is 3rd in line to the Presidency -- both parties vote for their leader (usually the majority and minority leaders) to be the Speaker. Whoever has the most seats wins; however, it's entirely possible that there could be a tie with the possibility of one or more independents to "woo" to one side or the other. However, that's not likely!

The US is one more party than north korea isn't it?

Dem / Rep

Texas, thats more a republican state?

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #24 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:17pm

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:14pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:01pm:

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:52pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

unfortunately we have what we call independen ts.. they are people who can run for govt without being part of a party..in the last election. 4 independents got seat in govt.. the two major parties. were hung.. meaning neither had enough seats to run the govt.. so both parties had to do deals.. make offers to the independents to get their votes...1 independent went with the Libs.. the other 3 went Labor... so labor under Julia Gillard became the govt..

it isnt the best as you can imagine..so we at least I am hoping it doesnt happen again...

Actually, the system is EXACTLY the same for our House of Representatives. Theoretically, its entirely possible that the same could happen here although highly unlikely. After an election and the new Congress is sworn in, all members vote for the Speaker who effectively runs the House. The Speaker is 3rd in line to the Presidency -- both parties vote for their leader (usually the majority and minority leaders) to be the Speaker. Whoever has the most seats wins; however, it's entirely possible that there could be a tie with the possibility of one or more independents to "woo" to one side or the other. However, that's not likely!

The US is one more party than north korea isn't it?

Dem / Rep

lol, unfortunately!

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Texas, thats more a republican state?

Very much so although demographic shifts suggest it could possibly reach battleground state status within the next 10-15 years.

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Reply #26 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

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Reply #27 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:31pm

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

Why would it be hard to imagine the GREENS entering into an agreement with the Liberals? If you know anything about our politics you would know both major parties are centre right yet the GREEENS have an agreement to back supply with Labor, and that's all it is. There is no formal coalition, unlike the Liberal party, Labor can and does rule in its own right, with just independents or the GREENS in the last election guaranteeing supply. You do know what guaranteeing supply means don't you?
Why would a Texan won't to read let alone post on an aussie political forum? Go on humour me.

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Reply #28 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:34pm

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

I'm tempted to begin with...."Howdy, Tex."
But I will behave myself and refrain from doing so....

You ask why the Greens would want to align themselves With the Libs...
Damn good question, and one I am trying to get an answer to myself in another thread.
Without much success, I might add.

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Reply #29 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:36pm

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

The Libs are roughly 50/50 small l moderate liberals and conservatives. A battle is going on within the party which is under control at the moment.

Lab was a centre left which is now right of centre.

Since the Libs looked like getting a landslide, splinter parties were created.

Katter KAP // Clive Palmer's PUP
Then we have Nats who are in coalition with the Libs

Then we have the Greens, the only left wing party.

Australia is currently a right wing country heading right.

If The small L Libs get control of their party, Australian politics will move more centre.

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