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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #45 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:57pm

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:41pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:34pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

I'm tempted to begin with...."Howdy, Tex."
But I will behave myself and refrain from doing so....

You ask why the Greens would want to align themselves With the Libs...
Damn good question, and one I am trying to get an answer to myself in another thread.
Without much success, I might add.

If Greens can manipulate the situation where the moderates in the Liberal Party gain control I think that would be a great outcome.
Think in some areas Greens could work with them.

Moderates Liberals are compassionate and decent people.
Could Labor work with the likes of Malcolm Turnbull?

Sure, green, but I'm inclined to think that's a pretty big 'IF'.

Regarding Turnbull, I think we were, and that's why he got shafted.

While the "Old, Faceless Men" of the Libs are calling the shots, decent men, like Turnbull, don't stand a chance.
Having said that, I have noticed a slight shift in Turnbull's attitude over the past year;
Not as relaxed and open as he used to be.
Even moreso with Hockey.
I used to regard Joe as a good bloke; Now I wouldn't p!ss on him if he was on fire.....

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #46 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:51pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

in effect, no one. From the time an election is called government goes into a holding pattern until a winner is declared.

you are wrong. Parliament is closed down but executive power remains with the prime minister and cabinet until a new PM and cabinet are appointed. Howard was still PM the day after the election n he lost. The convention of course is that post election, the PM (or premier) makes no decisions but it is only a convention. technically, an election is simply to choose anew parliament which itelsef chooses a new executive (PM and ministers)

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Learn to read you dam idiot.

No major decisions or actions are taken apart from minor mundane housekeeping duties to keep everything ticking over.

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #47 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:58pm

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:37pm:

skippy. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:31pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

Why would it be hard to imagine the GREENS entering into an agreement with the Liberals? If you know anything about our politics you would know both major parties are centre right yet the GREEENS have an agreement to back supply with Labor, and that's all it is. There is no formal coalition, unlike the Liberal party, Labor can and does rule in its own right, with just independents or the GREENS in the last election guaranteeing supply. You do know what guaranteeing supply means don't you?
Why would a Texan won't to read let alone post on an aussie political forum? Go on humour me.

I don't know anything at all about your politics -- that's why I'm here.

I'm a Texan on an Aussie political forum; because, I've been studying American politics since I was ten. I'm a political consultant, and I've been working on campaigns for a very long time. My passion is both history and politics -- I hold dual degrees in both with a history focus on early-American political theory and a political science degree with a focus on political philosophy and constitutional theory. In short -- I love politics.

I'm on this forum because I've become interested in the domestic politics of other countries, and I want to learn. :shrug: I realized I know very little about Aussie politics, so this is one of my ways of rectifying that situation.

I certainly come in peace -- I'm just trying to learn and share any of my knowledge to anyone who asks.

Welcome.

I'm just the man to help you learn. Wink

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #48 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:35pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:26pm:

How objective are you?

Did you vote ALP last time? Going to vote ALP this time?

At least be honest.

Are you dam stupid or are you just plain stupid? I've told you many times that I consider myself a labor man ... don't try this 'at least be honest' crap with me, you wouldn't know what honest is ....

by the way, do you think I didn't notice that you avoided responding to my comment about you voting labor??? ... before you question anyone else's honesty, at least have the decency to be honest with yourself.

So a description of "a Labor man" means you won't vote anyone else, don't vote on policy and are basically a cheerleader rather than basing around policies....

Never understood such people.

And I've voted for 5 different parties or Independents in my time.

It's called voting based on analysis of policy. Some of us have that ability rather than being a lemming.

Nice try retard ... the question was how many times have you voted labor in an Australian Federal Election ... come on Andrei, surely someone who has a degree like you can understand such a simple question?

(I don't give a rats what you voted for in England.)

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #49 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:06pm

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:42pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:36pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

The Libs are roughly 50/50 small l moderate liberals and conservatives. A battle is going on within the party which is under control at the moment.

Lab was a centre left which is now right of centre.

Since the Libs looked like getting a landslide, splinter parties were created.

Katter KAP // Clive Palmer's PUP
Then we have Nats who are in coalition with the Libs

Then we have the Greens, the only left wing party.

Australia is currently a right wing country heading right.

If The small L Libs get control of their party, Australian politics will move more centre.

You forgot to mention that the "small l's" allowed themselves to be bullied into electing a nut-job to run their party....

Wink

And Labor's left faction ... are they being led right so to make the party more electable in the short term.

Rhetorical, more than a question.

Point taken, but would you rather a centre to moderate-right, or a far-right nut-job party running the show?

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #50 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:16pm

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:42pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:36pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

The Libs are roughly 50/50 small l moderate liberals and conservatives. A battle is going on within the party which is under control at the moment.

Lab was a centre left which is now right of centre.

Since the Libs looked like getting a landslide, splinter parties were created.

Katter KAP // Clive Palmer's PUP
Then we have Nats who are in coalition with the Libs

Then we have the Greens, the only left wing party.

Australia is currently a right wing country heading right.

If The small L Libs get control of their party, Australian politics will move more centre.

You forgot to mention that the "small l's" allowed themselves to be bullied into electing a nut-job to run their party....

Wink

And Labor's left faction ... are they being led right so to make the party more electable in the short term.

Rhetorical, more than a question.

Point taken, but would you rather a centre to moderate-right, or a far-right nut-job party running the show?

Kevin Rudd on asylum policy is on the far right.

Who would have thought he'd lurch further right than Tony Abbott and who'd have thought so many alleged Labor people would follow.

What price morality in the 21st century?

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #51 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:20pm

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:42pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:36pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

The Libs are roughly 50/50 small l moderate liberals and conservatives. A battle is going on within the party which is under control at the moment.

Lab was a centre left which is now right of centre.

Since the Libs looked like getting a landslide, splinter parties were created.

Katter KAP // Clive Palmer's PUP
Then we have Nats who are in coalition with the Libs

Then we have the Greens, the only left wing party.

Australia is currently a right wing country heading right.

If The small L Libs get control of their party, Australian politics will move more centre.

You forgot to mention that the "small l's" allowed themselves to be bullied into electing a nut-job to run their party....

Wink

And Labor's left faction ... are they being led right so to make the party more electable in the short term.

Rhetorical, more than a question.

Point taken, but would you rather a centre to moderate-right, or a far-right nut-job party running the show?

A left wing party
i.e Greens.

either in majority or in alliance/coalition with others who share some of our values.

In between we will work with whatever the voter's elect.

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #52 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:22pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:16pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:42pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:36pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

The Libs are roughly 50/50 small l moderate liberals and conservatives. A battle is going on within the party which is under control at the moment.

Lab was a centre left which is now right of centre.

Since the Libs looked like getting a landslide, splinter parties were created.

Katter KAP // Clive Palmer's PUP
Then we have Nats who are in coalition with the Libs

Then we have the Greens, the only left wing party.

Australia is currently a right wing country heading right.

If The small L Libs get control of their party, Australian politics will move more centre.

You forgot to mention that the "small l's" allowed themselves to be bullied into electing a nut-job to run their party....

Wink

And Labor's left faction ... are they being led right so to make the party more electable in the short term.

Rhetorical, more than a question.

Point taken, but would you rather a centre to moderate-right, or a far-right nut-job party running the show?

Kevin Rudd on asylum policy is on the far right.

Who would have thought he'd lurch further right than Tony Abbott and who'd have thought so many alleged Labor people would follow.

What price morality in the 21st century?

are you running Andrei?

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #53 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:24pm

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:20pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:42pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:36pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

The Libs are roughly 50/50 small l moderate liberals and conservatives. A battle is going on within the party which is under control at the moment.

Lab was a centre left which is now right of centre.

Since the Libs looked like getting a landslide, splinter parties were created.

Katter KAP // Clive Palmer's PUP
Then we have Nats who are in coalition with the Libs

Then we have the Greens, the only left wing party.

Australia is currently a right wing country heading right.

If The small L Libs get control of their party, Australian politics will move more centre.

You forgot to mention that the "small l's" allowed themselves to be bullied into electing a nut-job to run their party....

Wink

And Labor's left faction ... are they being led right so to make the party more electable in the short term.

Rhetorical, more than a question.

Point taken, but would you rather a centre to moderate-right, or a far-right nut-job party running the show?

A left wing party
i.e Greens.
either in majority or in alliance/coalition with others who share some of our values.

In between we will work with whatever the voter's elect.

LOL......
Yeah!!
Should have thought that out before hitting the Post button.....

Wink

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Reply #55 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:39pm

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:42pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:36pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

The Libs are roughly 50/50 small l moderate liberals and conservatives. A battle is going on within the party which is under control at the moment.

Lab was a centre left which is now right of centre.

Since the Libs looked like getting a landslide, splinter parties were created.

Katter KAP // Clive Palmer's PUP
Then we have Nats who are in coalition with the Libs

Then we have the Greens, the only left wing party.

Australia is currently a right wing country heading right.

If The small L Libs get control of their party, Australian politics will move more centre.

You forgot to mention that the "small l's" allowed themselves to be bullied into electing a nut-job to run their party....

Wink

And Labor's left faction ... are they being led right so to make the party more electable in the short term.

Rhetorical, more than a question.

Labors left is left of Labors right but not left of centre.

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #56 - Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:41pm

Lobo wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:42pm:

____ wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:36pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:24pm:

So your minor parties trend left/right...it's hard for me to imagine your Green Party entering a coalition with the Liberal Party (hard to get used to your center-right party being referred to as 'Liberal'). What do they have to gain? Presumably they're being promised a portion of their party's agenda becomes part of the government's agenda which is something both Liberal and Labor could promise....so why would they ever enter into a coalition with the Liberal party? I use the Greens as an example, but I'm sure there are others.

Does everything hinge on the independents? How many of them do you have?

The Libs are roughly 50/50 small l moderate liberals and conservatives. A battle is going on within the party which is under control at the moment.

Lab was a centre left which is now right of centre.

Since the Libs looked like getting a landslide, splinter parties were created.

Katter KAP // Clive Palmer's PUP
Then we have Nats who are in coalition with the Libs

Then we have the Greens, the only left wing party.

Australia is currently a right wing country heading right.

If The small L Libs get control of their party, Australian politics will move more centre.

You forgot to mention that the "small l's" allowed themselves to be bullied into electing a nut-job to run their party....

The small l's in the Liberals are almost extinct, there are so few left that they have no say at all.

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Re: Hung Parliament
Reply #57 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:08pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:51pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

in effect, no one. From the time an election is called government goes into a holding pattern until a winner is declared.

you are wrong. Parliament is closed down but executive power remains with the prime minister and cabinet until a new PM and cabinet are appointed. Howard was still PM the day after the election n he lost. The convention of course is that post election, the PM (or premier) makes no decisions but it is only a convention. technically, an election is simply to choose anew parliament which itelsef chooses a new executive (PM and ministers)

IN EFFECT

Learn to read you dam idiot.

No major decisions or actions are taken apart from minor mundane housekeeping duties to keep everything ticking over.

you clearly don't know much about politics and the constitution which is why I wrote it. it is not well known that the PM isn't thrown out after losing an election. He remains PM until relinquishing his commission and advising he GG to ask the other leader to form govt and become PM. This happens some days AFTER the election.

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Reply #58 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:51pm:

FrostedTex wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:39pm:

I'm trying to follow along here, so my deep apologies if I clearly have no clue what the hell is going on (which I don't)!

So, if your Parliament is split 50/50 then is it simply a mad scramble to see which of the two major parties can put together a coalition government? Who governs in the meantime?

in effect, no one. From the time an election is called government goes into a holding pattern until a winner is declared.

you are wrong. Parliament is closed down but executive power remains with the prime minister and cabinet until a new PM and cabinet are appointed. Howard was still PM the day after the election n he lost. The convention of course is that post election, the PM (or premier) makes no decisions but it is only a convention. technically, an election is simply to choose anew parliament which itelsef chooses a new executive (PM and ministers)

IN EFFECT

Learn to read you dam idiot.

No major decisions or actions are taken apart from minor mundane housekeeping duties to keep everything ticking over.

you clearly don't know much about politics and the constitution which is why I wrote it. it is not well known that the PM isn't thrown out after losing an election. He remains PM until relinquishing his commission and advising he GG to ask the other leader to form govt and become PM. This happens some days AFTER the election.

keep digging that hole dopey

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Reply #59 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 3:37pm

There will effectivley be a hung parlaiment if Abbott wins anyway as he wont have control of the upper house, not even remotley.

Good luck pulling a DD on the Australian people, they dont like pollies as it is, let alone pollies who want to make them vote again because they cant get along.

Abbott can whitewash labor next election but they wont get control of the senate so good luck scrapping a carbon tax and mining tax with the greens still holding the balance.

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