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Reply #30 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:41pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:28pm:

Andrei,
they don't go to new cities - they come here to Melbourne or Sydney.

China has 1.4 billion people.

And you think they should take more?

No - & we should be like them otherwise our sovereignty means nothing.

In fact - I think we should start sending people back who are here now.

It would free up our hospitals & roads.

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Postmodern Trendoid Gold Member Offline International socialist Posts: 892 Gender:	Re: Amnesty - Mark this day as one of Shame Reply #31 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:42pm So Amnesty is angry; well, that must mean we are on the right track. Any time an international socialist is angry, then that's a good indication a sound policy has been implemented.
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Amnesty - Mark this day as one of Shame Reply #32 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:43pm If memory serves your response to Amnesty when they were critical of the pacific solution http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA12/009/2002/en Was a very eloquent 'bugger OFF" Why the change of heart now?
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Reply #33 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:28pm:

Andrei,
they don't go to new cities - they come here to Melbourne or Sydney.

China has 1.4 billion people.

And you think they should take more?

No - & we should be like them otherwise our sovereignty means nothing.

In fact - I think we should start sending people back who are here now.
It would free up our hospitals & roads.

Under what law?
How would you justify that and where would you send them?

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Amnesty - Mark this day as one of Shame Reply #34 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:46pm The suggestions from amnesty only apply if people continue to come by boat. The aim is to deter, not actually resettle in png.
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Reply #35 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:48pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:43pm:

If memory serves your response to Amnesty when they were critical of the pacific solution
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA12/009/2002/en

Was a very eloquent 'bugger OFF"

Why the change of heart now?

No it wasn't.
I havent changed my views at all.

Now do you spot a change of heart from a lot of the alleged 'humanitarians' on here?

One moment, up in arms about Howard's Pacific Solution as "inhumane" and the next supporting this.

How about in 2010?

Kevin Rudd the night he was deposed -

"Now what isn't the answer, what isn't the answer, is for the Labor Party to lurch to the Right and pander to populism on the subject of asylum seekers"

2013 - He ships them off to PNG and slams the door shut on them ever resettling into Australia.

Now where do you see the change of heart?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Amnesty - Mark this day as one of Shame Reply #36 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:49pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:46pm: The suggestions from amnesty only apply if people continue to come by boat. The aim is to deter, not actually resettle in png. So..... Are people who arrive by boat and deemed refugees going to be settled in PNG or not?
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Reply #37 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:53pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:49pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:46pm:

The suggestions from amnesty only apply if people continue to come by boat. The aim is to deter, not actually resettle in png.

So.....

Are people who arrive by boat and deemed refugees going to be settled in PNG or not?

If they aren't deterred then yes.

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Reply #38 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:00pm

You would regard though the organization Amnesty International as not giving a flying bugger about the election result of Australia and looking at it solely from a humanitarian and international obligation point of view.

I am not quite sure I could say the same for Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd.

Those people here quick to dispel the views of AI and listen to Rudd - well I am just not sure what to think....

Talk about skin in the game....

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Reply #39 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:00pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:48pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:43pm:

If memory serves your response to Amnesty when they were critical of the pacific solution
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA12/009/2002/en

Was a very eloquent 'bugger OFF"

Why the change of heart now?

No it wasn't.
I havent changed my views at all.

Now do you spot a change of heart from a lot of the alleged 'humanitarians' on here?

One moment, up in arms about Howard's Pacific Solution as "inhumane" and the next supporting this.

How about in 2010?

Kevin Rudd the night he was deposed -

"Now what isn't the answer, what isn't the answer, is for the Labor Party to lurch to the Right and pander to populism on the subject of asylum seekers"

2013 - He ships them off to PNG and slams the door shut on them ever resettling into Australia.

Now where do you see the change of heart?

Election year politics mate.

Don't bitch, up until Howard there was bi-partisan support for not making them an election issue.

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Reply #41 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:22pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 1:28pm:

Andrei,
they don't go to new cities - they come here to Melbourne or Sydney.

China has 1.4 billion people.

And you think they should take more?

No - & we should be like them otherwise our sovereignty means nothing.

In fact - I think we should start sending people back who are here now.
It would free up our hospitals & roads.

Under what law?
How would you justify that and where would you send them?

Hi Andrei,

Make the law retrospective.

Send them all to PNG.

Put the: murderers, rapists, thieves, pedophiles & terrorists on the boat as well.

This could be our:

final solution to the question of refugees & criminals.

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Reply #42 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:24pm

Retrospective application of laws to kick people out of a country?

I can see that one working?

Though in saying that - given the enthusiasm once precious humanitarians have for a policy of kicking desperate people over to a 3rd world island - maybe there wouldn't be too much reaction from the people.

Gives us some insight into how Adolf Hitler achieved the mass deportation of displaced people to Poland doesnt it?

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Reply #43 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:00pm:

You would regard though the organization Amnesty International as not giving a flying bugger about the election result of Australia and looking at it solely from a humanitarian and international obligation point of view.

I am not quite sure I could say the same for Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd.

Those people here quick to dispel the views of AI and listen to Rudd - well I am just not sure what to think....

Talk about skin in the game....

Oh? And what is the solution offered by Amnesty INternational?

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Reply #44 - Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:26pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Retrospective application of laws to kick people out of a country?

I can see that one working?

Though in saying that - given the enthusiasm once precious humanitarians have for a policy of kicking desperate people over to a 3rd world island - maybe there wouldn't be too much reaction from the people.

Gives us some insight into how Adolf Hitler achieved the mass deportation of displaced people to Poland doesnt it?

Yes Adolf had an even more final solution - gas chambers.

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