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FACTS THAT EVERY LABOR CANDIDATE SHOULD KNOW
Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:11am
 
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The notion of the Liberal Party as the sound guardians of our economy is a myth; One that
their sycophantic followers accept far too readily.

During the Howard/ Costello years foreign debt grew at the fastest rate in Australia's history – up by more than $100 billion between 2003 and 2005 alone.
This is the one part of John Howard’s legacy that nobody in his government wants to talk about:

Australia’s foreign debt during his reign. But then Labor never brings it up either. This is the question every Labor candidate should ask as soon as the economy is mentioned:

What was the net foreign debt at the start of the Howard/Costello years? What was it at the
end of the Howard/Costello years? And what did John Howard promise to do?


Howard said before the 1996 election that he was concerned about the net foreign debt
because:

‘This idea that foreign debt is in some way removed from and remote from the daily lives of
Australians is completely false.
If it weren’t for the level of foreign debt, interest rates in this country would be much lower.
And every Australian today who owes money on his or her home is paying a higher interest
rate than would otherwise be the case because of the size of our foreign debt..............’





Read the full article here. it is in pdf format and is 6 pages long so any of you that has attention span of a 5 year old don't worry about reading it
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Reply #1 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:15am
 
If Rudd gets in our debt will be over $600 billion in 3 years.

Tony won't be much better - maybe $400 billion.
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Reply #2 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:18am
 
What is wrong with debt?

If debt is bad then ban all interest on loans. That will stop the economy in it's tracks.

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Reply #3 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:05pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:15am:
If Rudd gets in our debt will be over $600 billion in 3 years.

Tony won't be much better - maybe $400 billion.



____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:18am:
What is wrong with debt?

If debt is bad then ban all interest on loans. That will stop the economy in it's tracks.




Did both of you read the article in full. The article is not about if debt is good or bad or what the debt is going to be under Rudd or That idiot that wants to be Prime Minister

It is about the government passing debt off on to the private sector then saying there is no government debt, but guess what who pays the debt back?
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Reply #4 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:15am:
If Rudd gets in our debt will be over $600 billion in 3 years.

Tony won't be much better - maybe $400 billion.


Wayne Swan managed to increase our debt by some 334% in a 6 year period.

He inherited a debt of $58bn and succeeded in leaving a $252BN debt.

Absolutely appalling. Not a single surplus in 6 years in a resource driven economy.
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Reply #5 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:26pm
 
____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:18am:
What is wrong with debt?

If debt is bad then ban all interest on loans. That will stop the economy in it's tracks.




Depends upon the debt.

If debt creates income and wealth then it is good debt. Smiley

If debt is just a pork barrell and not income producing (thrown down a bottomless hole) then it is bad. Sad

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Reply #6 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:40pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:15am:
If Rudd gets in our debt will be over $600 billion in 3 years.

Tony won't be much better - maybe $400 billion.


Wayne Swan managed to increase our debt by some 334% in a 6 year period.

He inherited a debt of $58bn and succeeded in leaving a $252BN debt.

Absolutely appalling. Not a single surplus in 6 years in a resource driven economy.



I don't know where you get your figure that howard left only $58BN debt out of your arse . this is from the same article

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John Howard and Costello knew the problem. But a decade later, Australia's foreign debt had not fallen. It hadn’t stayed the same, increased at the rate of inflation, or even increased at the pace of Australia’s economic growth.

It had blown out to two and a half times the level it was when John Howard took responsibility for the economy.

Export growth had halved from 10.8 per cent under Labor between 1983 and 1996, to 5.3 per cent since John Howard took office.

After ten years, John Howard became too arrogant to even acknowledge the problem, let alone work on the solution. Everybody said the economy was going ‘gangbusters’. Well it wasn’t. When a country is losing two thousand million dollars a month and has been doing that for the entire term of office of the Howard government then we are listening to spin not living in reality.

National debt went from a third of GDP in 1996 to more than half when Howard left office in 2007.

Peter Costello had a formula for assessing the burden of foreign debt in 1995. It broke down as $10,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. By the time he left it was well over $20,000 for every man, woman and child in the country.

They were seduced by the revenues from a credit boom. They were so seduced by the tax revenues from the boom that they did not cool it in the period 2000-2006 when it obviously needed cooling.

There was much crowing about paying off Labor’s government debt of 96 billion. Well it wasn’t Labor’s debt, it was part of Australia’s debt and so was the new 610 billion dollar debt they left.
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Reply #7 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:47pm
 
OMG..


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MIGHT HAVE GUESSED.. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


i am beginning to understand your avatar w.o.  you are driven mad looking for C&P telling whoppers about the Libs...

HILARIOUS>. you are the only one that does it.. have you noticed????..obscure websites included./


can we presume the Independent is paying you a bit more to advertise them... as you have kind of had a rest from them of late..LOL..

this is a bloke who doesnt have an original thought wave..

hilarious.
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FACTS THAT EVERY LABOR CANDIDATE SHOULD KNOW


1. their former leader was a raving lunatice dedicated to remaking the ALP in her own image

2. their current leader is consumed by narcissism and is a megalomaniac who is hiding the fact that he is receiving treatment for his hamartia of a pre-existing mental condition diagnosed as  messmessianic egomaniacal syndrome.
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salad in wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 4:26pm:
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FACTS THAT EVERY LABOR CANDIDATE SHOULD KNOW


1. their former leader was a raving lunatice dedicated to remaking the ALP in her own image

2. their current leader is consumed by narcissism and is a megalomaniac who is hiding the fact that he is receiving treatment for his hamartia of a pre-existing mental condition diagnosed as  messmessianic egomaniacal syndrome.




plus he doesnt have

INTEGRITY



so he is a liar as well.
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Reply #10 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 5:10pm
 
John S wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:05pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:15am:
If Rudd gets in our debt will be over $600 billion in 3 years.

Tony won't be much better - maybe $400 billion.



____ wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:18am:
What is wrong with debt?

If debt is bad then ban all interest on loans. That will stop the economy in it's tracks.




Did both of you read the article in full. The article is not about if debt is good or bad or what the debt is going to be under Rudd or That idiot that wants to be Prime Minister

It is about the government passing debt off on to the private sector then saying there is no government debt, but guess what who pays the debt back?


i dont recall the govt passing their debt on to me, my business or anyone else.  The govt cannot stop you borrowing money and nor should they.  You are not 'transferring debt' by paying yours off and your neighbour borrowing more.

you are an idiot.  not news of course.
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Reply #11 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 5:12pm
 
John S wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:40pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:15am:
If Rudd gets in our debt will be over $600 billion in 3 years.

Tony won't be much better - maybe $400 billion.


Wayne Swan managed to increase our debt by some 334% in a 6 year period.

He inherited a debt of $58bn and succeeded in leaving a $252BN debt.

Absolutely appalling. Not a single surplus in 6 years in a resource driven economy.



I don't know where you get your figure that howard left only $58BN debt out of your arse . this is from the same article

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John Howard and Costello knew the problem. But a decade later, Australia's foreign debt had not fallen. It hadn’t stayed the same, increased at the rate of inflation, or even increased at the pace of Australia’s economic growth.

It had blown out to two and a half times the level it was when John Howard took responsibility for the economy.

Export growth had halved from 10.8 per cent under Labor between 1983 and 1996, to 5.3 per cent since John Howard took office.

After ten years, John Howard became too arrogant to even acknowledge the problem, let alone work on the solution. Everybody said the economy was going ‘gangbusters’. Well it wasn’t. When a country is losing two thousand million dollars a month and has been doing that for the entire term of office of the Howard government then we are listening to spin not living in reality.

National debt went from a third of GDP in 1996 to more than half when Howard left office in 2007.

Peter Costello had a formula for assessing the burden of foreign debt in 1995. It broke down as $10,000 for every man, woman and child in the country. By the time he left it was well over $20,000 for every man, woman and child in the country.

They were seduced by the revenues from a credit boom. They were so seduced by the tax revenues from the boom that they did not cool it in the period 2000-2006 when it obviously needed cooling.

There was much crowing about paying off Labor’s government debt of 96 billion. Well it wasn’t Labor’s debt, it was part of Australia’s debt and so was the new 610 billion dollar debt they left.


most economists, accountants and people with a brain would consider it quite fair to have government debt defined as money borrowed by the government.  Your idea is that somehow it includes my mortgage and credit cards along with everyone elses.  Seems a tad unreasonable, dont you think?
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Reply #12 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 6:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:15am:
If Rudd gets in our debt will be over $600 billion in 3 years.

Tony won't be much better - maybe $400 billion.



Based on what bobby?

You have always said analysis of these issues should not be based on past history
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Reply #13 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 6:26pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:15am:
If Rudd gets in our debt will be over $600 billion in 3 years.

Tony won't be much better - maybe $400 billion.


Wayne Swan managed to increase our debt by some 334% in a 6 year period.

He inherited a debt of $58bn and succeeded in leaving a $252BN debt.

Absolutely appalling. Not a single surplus in 6 years in a resource driven economy.


I notice the worlds best accountant totally ignores the OP and repeats his usual rhetoric. No comment on the foreign debt dopey?
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Reply #14 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 8:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 6:26pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 12:22pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 11:15am:
If Rudd gets in our debt will be over $600 billion in 3 years.

Tony won't be much better - maybe $400 billion.


Wayne Swan managed to increase our debt by some 334% in a 6 year period.

He inherited a debt of $58bn and succeeded in leaving a $252BN debt.

Absolutely appalling. Not a single surplus in 6 years in a resource driven economy.


I notice the worlds best accountant totally ignores the OP and repeats his usual rhetoric. No comment on the foreign debt dopey?


foreign debt as owed by who?  if it is govt debt then blame the govt. if it is personal debt then blame the person. But on what planet is Howard to blame (assuming there is anything even wrong with debt) with PRIVATE debt?
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