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Reply #45 - Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:05pm

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

... wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

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He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and violence.

Doesn't it? Are there any more exceptions I should know about?

Well it should be intuitive. Intolerance is the opposite of tolerance.

Are you tolerating somebody if you break their nose?

Are you tolerating somebody if you use hate speech against them?

Go on - add more examples of your own. You should have grasped the principle by now.

The Libs and ALP seem to be able to understand it.

Tolerance is to suffer, endure, bear something painful or hard or difficult, outside the normal. To put up with something disagreeable.

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Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Reply #46 - Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:38pm

Soren wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Tolerance is to suffer, endure, bear something painful or hard or difficult, outside the normal. To put up with something disagreeable.

What if you find something outside the normal to be agreeable or neutral? (Whether or not you frame something as agreeable or disagreeable is an internal condition)

It's not all about suffering or enduring unpleasantness. Your bandwidth tolerance is too narrow (30%). In other words, you're just picking up one of several aspects of the dictionary definition(s) or accepted usage, but not necessarily because you find them hard to endure, difficult or disagreeable.

tol·er·at·ed, tol·er·at·ing, tol·er·ates
1. To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit.
2. To recognize and respect (the rights, beliefs, or practices of others).
3. To put up with; endure.

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Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Reply #47 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:15am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 10:27am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 10:16am:

I don't know how much actual ruling they do. They don't even get invited to the Bilderberg Conference.

The Royals are reptilian and parasitic, they bleed England at every opportunity, but they're well loved by the sheeples, so that's all that matters.

The Queen has never done anything wrong but she does cost a lot of money.

No, she doesn't.

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Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Reply #48 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:18am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Here we go again...some pommy sheila has a kid and all the little twerps wet their pants with joy!

But one day he will be your KING.

It's NOT great odds, really

Assuming Australia is STILL dithering around on the matter of FULL independence from the British crown - and the tiresomely LONG life-spans of the British royals - William could well live to ninety or beyond

I don't expect to be around for King George's coronation - sometime approaching 2075

( ... I can't speak for the REST of you)

Australia has full independence of the British royals. The Australian monarchy reigns over Australia, not the British one.

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Reply #49 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:31am

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

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He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Where exactly is my definition of tolerance?

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Reply #50 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:33am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

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Are you being intolerant of my position?

Doesnt look like it. Im just pointing out that you dont seem to have any kind of compassion for fellow humans that arent exactly like you. If i was being intolerant i would be calling for you to piss off.

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So if you're intolerant toward something (Christianity is something you are intolerant of, for example), do you also lack compassion for you fellow human beings? By your own logic, yes.

Everyone is intolerant of a number of things. The word intolerance has been thoroughly contaminated by "progressives" to mean something other than it should.

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

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No. It's called consistency; applying the same approach to another perspective.

What's a numberplate?

So - this intolerance for xtianity - that is what you get from my cartoon is it? Hahahahaha!

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Reply #51 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:34am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

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http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Are you being intolerant of my position?

Doesnt look like it. Im just pointing out that you dont seem to have any kind of compassion for fellow humans that arent exactly like you. If i was being intolerant i would be calling for you to piss off.

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http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

So if you're intolerant toward something (Christianity is something you are intolerant of, for example), do you also lack compassion for you fellow human beings? By your own logic, yes.

Everyone is intolerant of a number of things. The word intolerance has been thoroughly contaminated by "progressives" to mean something other than it should.

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

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http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

No. It's called consistency; applying the same approach to another perspective.

What's a numberplate?

What other perspective? You said tolerance like it was a bad thing. Obviously you dont want to explain that so you are trying to call me "intolerant".

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Re: It's a boy....... our new King.
Reply #52 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:37am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

Who cares!!!! All the children being born around the world and this child is something special. I hate that way of thinking. Actually this royal child is probably genetically inferiour to most children. All the royal inbreeding has made them all a little back woods in my opinion.

Royals have the right breeding - didn't you know that?

Cousins rooting cousins for centuries hasn't helped their DNA content.

But it's selective breeding like race horses.

Sure - you might get a stutterer now & then but overall they have done well.

All pedigree dogs have hip probams. They are the same . They are a bunch of inbred dummies lacking in genetic diversity.

I thought Kate is a common person like us?
Are you saying that she has royal blood?

Hahahaha not "like us" - she is filthy rich for generations. However she is now royalty. Her blood is as royal as the queens.

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Reply #53 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:39am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/29nohate.gif

Does that go for hate toward conservatives too? Read some of Kat's posts for extreme intolerance.

Take this post of his (one of numerous in this vein):

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The facts are there for all to see, but these rag-dicks in the Con-alition and their
pig-ignorant supporters simply refuse to see them.

I've said it before, and I'll smacking keep saying it...

THEY"RE TOO smacking STUPID AND/OR IGNORANT TO DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

I despise wilful, wanton, self-imposed pig-ignorance. And the coalition and its conga-line are rife with it.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374717550

Would you condemn this?

And is that from the "labour voters are dickheads" thread? In that case he is being slightly intolerant of intolerance.

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Reply #54 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:16am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:34am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 24^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

Übermensch, who do you rate as a "progressive" and why?

Those who believe in equality, tolerance and all that jazz.

So equality tolerance and "all that jazz" are bad things huh?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Are you being intolerant of my position?

Doesnt look like it. Im just pointing out that you dont seem to have any kind of compassion for fellow humans that arent exactly like you. If i was being intolerant i would be calling for you to piss off.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

So if you're intolerant toward something (Christianity is something you are intolerant of, for example), do you also lack compassion for you fellow human beings? By your own logic, yes.

Everyone is intolerant of a number of things. The word intolerance has been thoroughly contaminated by "progressives" to mean something other than it should.

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

No. It's called consistency; applying the same approach to another perspective.

What's a numberplate?

What other perspective? You said tolerance like it was a bad thing. Obviously you dont want to explain that so you are trying to call me "intolerant".

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I've already explained, and explaining it again would be pointless because you can't think one step beyond what you think in the moment.

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Reply #55 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:16am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:39am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/29nohate.gif

Does that go for hate toward conservatives too? Read some of Kat's posts for extreme intolerance.

Take this post of his (one of numerous in this vein):

Quote:

The facts are there for all to see, but these rag-dicks in the Con-alition and their
pig-ignorant supporters simply refuse to see them.

I've said it before, and I'll smacking keep saying it...

THEY"RE TOO smacking STUPID AND/OR IGNORANT TO DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

I despise wilful, wanton, self-imposed pig-ignorance. And the coalition and its conga-line are rife with it.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374717550

Would you condemn this?

And is that from the "labour voters are dickheads" thread? In that case he is being slightly intolerant of intolerance.

SOB

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Bigot.

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Reply #56 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:26am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:16am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:39am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

species 8472 wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

Ahhh so twisting things around then attacking the new topic you made - thats called a straw man numberplate.

SOB

He didn't twist anything. He showed exactly how your definition of tolerance makes all people guilty of being intolerant of something.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance, hate and volience.

http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/29nohate.gif

Does that go for hate toward conservatives too? Read some of Kat's posts for extreme intolerance.

Take this post of his (one of numerous in this vein):

Quote:

The facts are there for all to see, but these rag-dicks in the Con-alition and their
pig-ignorant supporters simply refuse to see them.

I've said it before, and I'll smacking keep saying it...

THEY"RE TOO smacking STUPID AND/OR IGNORANT TO DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

I despise wilful, wanton, self-imposed pig-ignorance. And the coalition and its conga-line are rife with it.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374717550

Would you condemn this?

And is that from the "labour voters are dickheads" thread? In that case he is being slightly intolerant of intolerance.

SOB

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Bigot.

Obviously you dont want to expose yourself by answering the question.

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Reply #57 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:24am

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Well it should be intuitive. Intolerance is the opposite of tolerance

What is intuitive, is that you've conjured up some magical exceptions to suit your ends.

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Are you tolerating somebody if you break their nose?

Perhaps I broke it by accident. Perhaps I broke it in the ring.
If I chose to break their nose our of anger, I obviously had had enough of tolerating them, which is fine - I don't think it's the great virtue that you do. The better analogy is whether I would tolerate someone breaking someone elses nose. The answer in most cases, is yes. Ain't my business.

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Are you tolerating somebody if you use hate speech against them?

Define "hate speech". If you dpon't want to, I'll just use my intuitive definition - anything deemed contrary to the prevailing ideology.

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Go on - add more examples of your own. You should have grasped the principle by now.

I've grasped a principle, but it's not the principle of tolerance.

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Reply #58 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:42am

Cofgod wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 2:18am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Here we go again...some pommy sheila has a kid and all the little twerps wet their pants with joy!

But one day he will be your KING.

It's NOT great odds, really

Assuming Australia is STILL dithering around on the matter of FULL independence from the British crown - and the tiresomely LONG life-spans of the British royals - William could well live to ninety or beyond

I don't expect to be around for King George's coronation - sometime approaching 2075

( ... I can't speak for the REST of you)

Australia has full independence of the British royals. The Australian monarchy reigns over Australia, not the British one.

Who in HELL is "the Australian monarchy" ?

Queen Gina - or King Rupert
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Reply #59 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 8:24am:

muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Well it should be intuitive. Intolerance is the opposite of tolerance

What is intuitive, is that you've conjured up some magical exceptions to suit your ends.

They are antonyms. It's like saying that dry is just another type of wet. Obviously it isn't. There is nothing difficult or magical about that.

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Quote:

Are you tolerating somebody if you break their nose?

Perhaps I broke it by accident. Perhaps I broke it in the ring.
If I chose to break their nose our of anger, I obviously had had enough of tolerating them, which is fine - I don't think it's the great virtue that you do. The better analogy is whether I would tolerate someone breaking someone elses nose. The answer in most cases, is yes. Ain't my business.

That's right. If you are breaking their nose in anger, you are not tolerating them. Good.

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Define "hate speech". If you dpon't want to, I'll just use my intuitive definition - anything deemed contrary to the prevailing ideology.

Victoria defines it best, but all States have laws against discrimination and vilification, and these laws have been supported by governments from both sides of politics.

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A person must not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons, engage in conduct that incites hatred against, serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of, that other person or class of persons.

Note: "engage in conduct" includes use of the internet or e-mail to publish or transmit statements or other material.

Section 11 of the Act provides this concession in favour of freedom of expression:

A person does not contravene section 7 or 8 if the person establishes that the person's conduct was engaged in reasonably and in good faith—

(a) in the performance, exhibition or distribution of an artistic work; or
(b) in the course of any statement, publication, discussion or debate made or held, or any other conduct engaged in, for—

(i) any genuine academic, artistic, religious or scientific purpose; or
(ii) any purpose that is in the public interest; or

(c) in making or publishing a fair and accurate report of any event or matter of public interest.

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