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Reply #60 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:44am

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(ii) any purpose that is in the public interest; or

There's my get out of jail free card.

Oh wait...it isn't the public who decide what's in their interest, is it? No, it'd be the ruling elite - my original, intuitive definition was pretty much spot on then, wasn't it?

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That's right. If you are breaking their nose in anger, you are not tolerating them. Good

Yes, but I could have sowrn that I pointed out that your analogy was faulty?

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Reply #61 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:47am

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muso wrote on Jul 25^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

Well it should be intuitive. Intolerance is the opposite of tolerance

What is intuitive, is that you've conjured up some magical exceptions to suit your ends.

They are antonyms. It's like saying that dry is just another type of wet. Obviously it isn't. There is nothing difficult or magical about that.

Sure isn't...but that's not what you said is it?

Are violence and hate the opposites of tolerance? No, they are not - see? Magical exceptions.

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Reply #63 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

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muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

(ii) any purpose that is in the public interest; or

There's my get out of jail free card.

Oh wait...it isn't the public who decide what's in their interest, is it? No, it'd be the ruling elite - my original, intuitive definition was pretty much spot on then, wasn't it?

Ruling Elite? What are you, a communist? Don't you understand how legislative precedents work? You think that the courts are the ruling elite?

Anyway I didn't write the legislation. You just asked for a definition.

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Reply #64 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 1:56pm

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They are antonyms. It's like saying that dry is just another type of wet. Obviously it isn't. There is nothing difficult or magical about that.

Sure isn't...but that's not what you said is it?

Are violence and hate the opposites of tolerance? No, they are not - see? Magical exceptions.

Let me see:

tol·er·at·ed, tol·er·at·ing, tol·er·ates
1. To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit.
2. To recognize and respect (the rights, beliefs, or practices of others).
3. To put up with; endure.

Are violence and hate "allowing without prohibiting or opposing"?

That would be a no. Violence and hate are therefore at odds with tolerance.

You check them against the other definitions if you like. They are definitely not examples of tolerance, but they are certainly examples of intolerance.

I rest my case m'Lud. Grin

Where did you get your degree in Bush Law anyway?

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: It's a boy....... our new King. Reply #66 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:09pm ... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 3:02pm: Ah so now we get to the dictionary definition. I dont see any exceptions in those definitions, do you? So are you saying that violence and hate are compatible with tolerance? I'm not sure what you actually want to get out of this.
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Reply #68 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 4:43pm

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Ah so now we get to the dictionary definition. I dont see any exceptions in those definitions, do you?

So are you saying that violence and hate are compatible with tolerance?

I'm not sure what you actually want to get out of this.

Nope. I suggest you go back and refresh your memory as to what started this. You have moved the posts so many times, I doubt you even know what field you're on anymore.

Or you could just state for the record that "I'm intolerant of intolerance" is played out and gay.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: It's a boy....... our new King. Reply #69 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:16pm The various continental Europeans of non-British descent that I've met have mostly been republicans (small r). They are less likely to be monarchists than Indian immigrants or those from other Commonwealth nations such as Singapore, Malaysia or South Africa.
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Reply #70 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:38pm

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Or you could just state for the record that "I'm intolerant of intolerance" is played out and gay.

Put it this way, if a person is described as tolerant, it definitely doesn't imply tolerance of violence or hate speech, because of the vicarious implications. It's promoting violence and hate speech through inaction and association. You'll find that right through the laws and statutes of Federal and State legislation, and you can be prosecuted for it. There are plenty of other such "exceptions" as you put it, depending on which State you live in. Have a look in the criminal codes, and Google "Duty of Care".

That little smirk in the corner while you watch a mate beat somebody up, could easily find you in serious trouble, and the only gay thing about it would be bubba, your hypothetical cell mate.

A friend of mine, who is a QC, could provide numerous examples. There is nothing gay about the laws of the land.

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Reply #71 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:53pm

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:38pm:

ut it this way, if a person is described as tolerant, it definitely doesn't imply tolerance of violence or hate speech,

What if you made a statement like "aborigines have a violent culture"

It's true, but wouldn't it be "intolerant" to say so?

In cases such as this, which form of "intolerance" trumps the other?

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Reply #73 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:17pm

... wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 5:38pm:

ut it this way, if a person is described as tolerant, it definitely doesn't imply tolerance of violence or hate speech,

What if you made a statement like "aborigines have a violent culture"

It's true, but wouldn't it be "intolerant" to say so?

In cases such as this, which form of "intolerance" trumps the other?

It depends on the circumstances. If you were interviewing an aborigine for a job and you came out with that, there would be all hell to pay.

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Reply #74 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:25pm

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What if you made a statement like "aborigines have a violent culture"

It's true, but wouldn't it be "intolerant" to say so?

I think you're confusing intolerance with something else, because saying "aborigines have a violent culture" doesn't indicate any form of intolerance.

If however, you said "I don't think Aboriginals should be allowed to continue practising their violent culture" then amongst people who also accepted that aboriginals have a violent culture, you might get some who think you're intolerant of aboriginals continuing with the violence.

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