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Reply #75 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:26pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:

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Have a look in the criminal codes, and Google "Duty of Care".

I have not done the google, but going from decaying memory, I don't think that expression exists in any Section of Queensland's Criminal Code. It is all over torts and Donoghue v Stevenson etc etc......but ~ in criminal law?

No. The Criminal Code would use terms like "Accessory".

Duty of Care is not in Statutory law. It's comes from Common Law as you implied. I just meant that it's another thing to look out for. If you stand back and actively or passively encourage an act of violence, you could be charged under the Criminal Code as accessory or even an accomplice depending on the jurisdiction.

The Common Law comes into play when it comes to damages, and accessories are considered just as guilty as the principal under Common Law. Even if not convicted as an accessory, the Duty of Care can come into it, although typically it's used against corporations.

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Reply #76 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:50pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

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What if you made a statement like "aborigines have a violent culture"

It's true, but wouldn't it be "intolerant" to say so?

I think you're confusing intolerance with something else, because saying "aborigines have a violent culture" doesn't indicate any form of intolerance.

If however, you said "I don't think Aboriginals should be allowed to continue practising their violent culture" then amongst people who also accepted that aboriginals have a violent culture, you might get some who think you're intolerant of aboriginals continuing with the violence.

Yeah what I meant to say was "geez those abos are a violent bunch".

Same message, different words.

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Reply #78 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:14pm

I suppose I should split out these posts that are off topic. First of all, not all Aborigines are violent, but I agree that there is lot of violence in Aboriginal society.

It comes down to the circumstances. If an aborigine walked into a pub, and you said something like "You blokes are all the same. All violent so and so's....Get the f out of here" then obviously that would be inciting hate speech.

On the other hand, if you were just discussing recent violence in a particular Aboriginal settlement with specific examples, and not targetting a specific individual, there is nothing wrong with that.

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Reply #79 - Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:41pm

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

If an aborigine walked into a pub, and you said something like "You blokes are all the same. All violent so and so's....Get the f out of here" then obviously that would be inciting hate speech.

It'd be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

muso wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

I suppose I should split out these posts that are off topic.

meh, you can if you want, but I'm done...

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Reply #80 - Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am

To cut a long story short, the whole intolerance thing is to just stop white people (mostly males) from having an opinion on non-white people. The contortions of logic the "progressives" go through to make this the only definition of intolerance is something to behold, and, moreover, something that ought to be an object of study.

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Reply #82 - Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:16am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

To cut a long story short, the whole intolerance thing is to just stop white people (mostly males) from having an opinion on non-white people. The contortions of logic the "progressives" go through to make this the only definition of intolerance is something to behold, and, moreover, something that ought to be an object of study.

No its not.

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Reply #83 - Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:08am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

To cut a long story short, the whole intolerance thing is to just stop white people (mostly males) from having an opinion on non-white peopl

Not exactly - that might be an effect of it, but I reckon the intent of the "tolerance" bandwagon is to have the plebs accept, embrace and even celebrate their powerlessness. The same old story - the powerful trying to consolidate their power by placating those with reason and the numbers to rise up against them.

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Reply #84 - Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:24am

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Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

To cut a long story short, the whole intolerance thing is to just stop white people (mostly males) from having an opinion on non-white peopl

Not exactly - that might be an effect of it, but I reckon the intent of the "tolerance" bandwagon is to have the plebs accept, embrace and even celebrate their powerlessness. The same old story - the powerful trying to consolidate their power by placating those with reason and the numbers to rise up against them.

Power is definitely a part of it, but the "intolerance" slogan arises with the radicals of the 1960s and their particular political agenda.

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Reply #85 - Jul 27^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

Racism is widespread, and it doesn't just apply to any one particular group. I mentioned the example of racism in Indonesia, where Ethnic Chinese are treated as second class citizens even if the family has been living in Indonesia for several generations. I've also seen reverse racism in Ghana where Ghanaians are made to wait, say at banks where a European is attended to straight away, and it's not just a money issue. Rich Ghanaians who are laden down with gold necklaces are likely to get the same treatment. Regardless of where it happens, it's not a good thing.

What it comes down to is the assumption that another person is somehow inferior based on something like skin colour or some other attribute that the other person was either born with or had no control over whatsoever.

Again, racism is not a monopoly of white Europeans.

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Reply #86 - Jul 27^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

... wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 9:08am:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

To cut a long story short, the whole intolerance thing is to just stop white people (mostly males) from having an opinion on non-white peopl

Not exactly - that might be an effect of it, but I reckon the intent of the "tolerance" bandwagon is to have the plebs accept, embrace and even celebrate their powerlessness. The same old story - the powerful trying to consolidate their power by placating those with reason and the numbers to rise up against them.

Power is definitely a part of it, but the "intolerance" slogan arises with the radicals of the 1960s and their particular political agenda.

Regardless of the specifics of their agenda, first and foremost must be consolidation and protection of their power. Without that, any agenda is impossible to serve.

What better way to do that than to convince everyone that "tolerance" (aka suffering in silence) is the highest virtue one can aspire to?

I'd assume there was a time, not so long ago, that strength, noble principles and brave deeds were admired and celebrated - now it seems that eating whatever sh.it anyone serves up, grinning and telling them it tastes good is the new noble ideal. I hardly think it compares with slaying dragons, or climbing mountains, but whatever.

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