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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps Reply #90 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 9:43pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 12:15pm: Absolutely. Leave cods alone. She's from England.
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Reply #91 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 9:44pm

cods wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 12:18pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:

Absolutely.

Leave cods alone. She's from England.

they wont leave me alone andrei.. I am easy pickings for the bully boys..

one of the things that always amazes me about this country is the fact they do HAVE IT REALLY GOOD.. when I left England they had 2 weeks holidays per annum..here it was 3/4 weeks..plus untold public holidays even Union days off..

and still it isnt enough..

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Reply #92 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 9:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

Kat wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 9:05am:

Business needs to take responsibility too.

Their policy of cutting jobs, wages and conditions, to protect CEO
bonuses and dividends to parasi...oops, shareholders is a major
cause of the unemployment problem.

As is their refusal to provide on-the-job training for employees.

cutting wages??? DOES NOT HAPPEN or do you forget that wages are controlled by law?

Think you missed this bit, longy.
A lot of firms DO have this POLICY....

Under workchoices it actually happened.

And, before you go off quarter-cocked, the examples of such instances have been well documented, both here and elsewhere.

One if the reasons Rudd romped home in '07.

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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #93 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 10:13pm

cods wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

cods wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:42am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:34am:

cods wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

[quote author=pansi1951 link=1374962909/1#1 date=1374963510]
The ALP and the Coalition need a boot camp for themselves, they're both out of control.

Punish the youth, they're all lazy.....nothing to do with the fact that there is NO work.

Little boot camps to con the youngsters into signing for the big boot camp.

shhhhh pansi someone from the left tells us this govt has created 4 million jobs..

well THEY believe it?.

can you see any govt making this generation DO ANYTHING?...hilarious.

You do realise the previous generation said the same thing about your generation cods.

I wouldn't speak too ill of them because it is these same people who will be changing your diapers in the future. You wouldn't want them to leave you messy for too long, would you?

Is it the government wrecking manufacturing or the "lazy" kids?.....you can't have it both ways.

This generation is not lazy, they work damn hard, when they get the opportunity.

It's the economy.........

onai you are probably of a different generation to me.. but believe me.. we all had jobs.. good and bad.. no such thing as dole in my day. we were never called lazy cant get out of bed..

this generation is lazy pansi.. I remember someone suggesting the get on a BUS to go to work.. shock waves went through the place.

they do not work hard pansi.. they have far too many machines to do what MY GENERATION DID BY HAND AND BACK..

sorry matey...but that is a fact..men dont dig roads today machines do..

its the same with accounting.. its done my machine..

I would not go down a mine if you paid me too...and I admire those that do...but even that is becoming a thing of the past its all opencut now...

look around pansi things have changed an awful lot.

honest to god stop finding excuses for everything.

thats nonsense cods. The idea that 'the good old days' had full employment is as silly as it is provably wrong. In fact, for most of the last 15 years we have had historically LOWER unemployment than most of the last century. You seem to forget the 10%+ unemployment of the 70s and 80s, to 30%+unemployment of the 30s that was only ended by the major employer called WW2. The 'good old days' never existed. even the 1950s very low unemployment was a farce as it was only achieved by denying married women the right to work.

I dont have a clue what you are going on about.. who mentioned unemployment what I said was we did not have the dole..I had no trouble finding employment..I did office work so it may have been easy I dont know.. but I do not remember any form of dole for unemployed in England..unless I was lucky and didnt know anyone who didnt have a job...

my husbands family who were poor even by those standards.. would go hop picking during the school holidays..like gypsies.his dad worked but he also likes the pub.

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Main article: Jobseeker's Allowance

History and etymology

Unemployment benefits were first instituted in 1911. Ten years later over two million people were relying on the payments, as the United Kingdom experienced economic hardship after World War I.
Unemployment benefit is commonly referred to as "the dole"; to receive the benefit is to be "on the dole". "Dole" here is an archaic expression meaning "one's allotted portion", from the synonymous Old English word dāl.
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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #94 - Jul 28^th, 2013 at 11:40pm

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The idea was framed as a possible vote winner for the government and was slated to be announced before August 15, if accepted.

... until the COST of keeping every unemployed teenager in the nation in detention was realised, no doubt

These sort of "no-brainers" get thrown up all the time - during round table "brain-storming" sessions
They rarely make it past the draft paper stage

Don't hold your breath on THIS one

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Reply #96 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 12:34am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Only an ignorant fool would seriously compare the attacks on Australia to the sustained, solid daily bombings of Great Britain by Nazi Germany over a 5 year period.

Oh now pardon me for saying this, Andrei, but I would like to question the accuracy of this statement here.

Germany stopped bombing Britain in May 1941. It seems to have lasted barely 12 months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_britain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz

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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #97 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:51am

stryder wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 11:48pm:

the left are silent when Kevin Rudd releases a policy just like the work for the dole scheme, but for young people.

FIRSTLY

, it's NOT a "policy"
SECONDLY
, nothing has been "released"

THIRDLY

, it's not a creation of Kevin Rudd's, but leftovers from Julia Gillard's "in" tray - of such low priority, it hasn't been binned yet

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Reply #98 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:09am

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 3:14pm:

How about compulsory National Service for everyone over 18 years old, but not employed?

We could put the conscripts to work, turning back the boats and all of our problems could be solved?

The military doesnt accept ppl over a certain age. Aussies are expected to work until they are (whats the age now?) 70? 69? Its not like you even get to retire anymore unless you are extremely healthy or wealthy.

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Reply #99 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:10am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 3:52pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 2:16pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

You cannot compare the impact of WW2 on Australia compared to
how we suffered
through consistent bombing campaigns of 1940-44.
Whilst Australia like many suffered to so extent, it pales in comparison to Europe and Great Britain.

OBVIOUSLY, "life in the colonies" was ( ... is ?) a component of little interest to the insular British education curriculum -
"How We Won the War"

Australia bombed, strafed and shelled

http://www.awm.gov.au/exhibitions/underattack/images/maps/attacks.gif

A desperate air battle was fought over Darwin yesterday as the air war in Australia’s north flared to its greatest pitch of fury.
The Sun, 20 February 1942

On 19 February 1942 Japanese bombs fell on mainland Australia for the first time. The port and city of Darwin suffered two devastating attacks by over 188 Japanese aircraft that day.

Over the next twenty months northern Australia was to endure almost a hundred air raids, from Exmouth in the west to Townsville in the east. At the same time, Japanese submarines attacked merchant vessels off the coast of eastern Australia.

Reactions to these attacks varied across Australia. For those close to the areas under attack, the damage was obvious and the response immediate.

The population in southern Australia was shielded from the detail of the attacks by distance and wartime censorship. Nevertheless, strict air raid precautions were implemented and the civilian population prepared to face the national emergency.

On the night of 31 May – 1 June 1942 three Japanese midget submarines attacked Sydney Harbour. They were launched from a group of five larger submarines waiting off the Heads. All three midget submarines were lost, with two of them destroyed before they could fire their torpedoes. The third fired at but missed the USS Chicago, sinking HMAS Kuttabul, a coverted ferry, and killing 21 sleeping sailors aboard. Reactions by Sydney residents varied; a few made plans to flee the city, but many came to watch the recovery of the submarines.

A week after the midget submarine attack on Sydney Harbour, two of the larger submarines returned to bombard Sydney and Newcastle with their deck guns. One shelled Newcastle for twenty minutes until driven off by fire from coastal artillery defences. Another submarine fired ten rounds into eastern Sydney.

http://www.awm.gov.au/exhibitions/underattack/bombed/

During all of this, as in WW1, the Australian Defence Forces were in Europe- acting as cannon fodder - fighting "Britain's War"

A gesture, never reciprocated

But no-one EVER suffers as much as the English ( ... or as LOUDLY, at least)

Perhaps a visit to the Australian War Memorial might bring a little more RESPECT to the forefront - from the pair of you ?

now you just sound like a fool. To even suggest that Australia suffered anything like the English in WW2 is just stupid... SOB-level stupidity.

We hardly got off scot free but we had ONE attack on the mainland.

Go away troll

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Reply #100 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:14am

ian wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 5:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Oh really? How would you know this? the lifestyle of not being able to afford rent you mean?

As for crime - well - you have a bunch of ppl in poverty and thats what happens.

SOB

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bs, poverty is an excuse for crime, and poverty here is nothing compared to 3rd world countries many of which have a far lower crime rate than us. Our society has become one of self entitlement, particularly in relation to those who live off social security. Its only supposed to be a safety net, not afford a comfortable existence.

Are you saying there are no homeless? Nobody who doesnt get a meal every day? Nobody who is broke enough to resort to crime to support their family?

Yeah you prolly are saying that and predictably you will rant on about homeless shelters and soup kitchens. Well they arent everywhere especially not in rural areas.

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Reply #101 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:37am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Only an ignorant fool would seriously compare the attacks on Australia to the sustained, solid daily bombings of Great Britain by Nazi Germany over a 5 year period.

An utter utter fool you are Buzz.

Britain suffered terribly in the war both in the attacks on our mainland and the men that we lost.

Not even pretending to be an aussie now?

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Reply #102 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:37am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:37am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Britain suffered terribly in the war both in the attacks on our mainland and the men that we lost.

Not even pretending to be an aussie now?

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Reply #103 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:11am

Bill Shorten defends boot camps

by: VERITY EDWARDS
From: The Australian
July 29, 2013

A PROPOSAL to force young jobseekers into army-style boot camps has been met with widespread condemnation.

A leaked submission from Labor ministers Bill Shorten and Kate Ellis to the expenditure review committee in May included plans for a Youth Start boot camp as a future election policy.

The strict army-style camps remain on the table as one of Kevin Rudd's election policies, with an announcement expected before August 15.

Mr Shorten defended the proposal yesterday and said the Youth Start proposal "would provide motivation, focus and employment skills for young jobseekers".

The plan is part of a range of welfare announcements that crack down on dependence, as the government tries to create a contrast from the softer position it wants to take on single mothers.

The Australian has learnt the boot camp idea is yet to go to cabinet but likely to win support because most ministers think the Newstart payments of single mothers must he boosted.

The four-year $70 million proposal calls for funds to be reallocated from Jobs Services Australia providers into programs targeting 15- to 21-year-olds.

Youth unemployment in parts of northern Adelaide has exceeded 43 per cent and in parts of Sydney has been above 40 per cent.

Australian Council of Social Service chief executive Cassandra Goldie said youth unemployment was rising and the federal government needed to take it seriously.

"The last thing we should be doing is stereotyping young people and sending them off to be disciplined because they're not trying hard enough."

Opposition employment participation spokeswoman Sussan Ley said boot camps would not resolve the problem.

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Reply #104 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:21am

Shorten is a grub. Simple as that.

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as the government tries to create a contrast from the softer position it wants to take on single mothers.

So show me the justification for taking a hard line on the unemployed.

Bit hard, when there isn't one.

Looks like the toe of the jack-boot is once again aimed squarely in the faces of the unemployed.

Always the first to suffer, always the last to benefit.

This bullshyt really does have to stop.

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