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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #120 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 11:00pm

Mnemonic wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 12:34am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Only an ignorant fool would seriously compare the attacks on Australia to the sustained, solid daily bombings of Great Britain by Nazi Germany over a 5 year period.

Oh now pardon me for saying this, Andrei, but I would like to question the accuracy of this statement here.

Germany stopped bombing Britain in May 1941. It seems to have lasted barely 12 months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_britain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz

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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #121 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 5:59am

ian wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:19am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:14am:

Are you saying there are no homeless? Nobody who doesnt get a meal every day? Nobody who is broke enough to resort to crime to support their family?

Yeah you prolly are saying that and predictably you will rant on about homeless shelters and soup kitchens. Well they arent everywhere especially not in rural areas.

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Homelessness is a separate issue to unemployment, and yes, I am saying no one needs to resort to crime to support their family. What a nonsense. There is an adequate safety net in this country for everyone if they need it. The issue is what the money is spent on which is why those on the dole should never be given money but food stamps and vouchers.

Besides if all the unemployed get is vouchers and stamps how are they supposed to pay rent?

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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #122 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 7:09am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 5:59am:

ian wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:19am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 5:14am:

Are you saying there are no homeless? Nobody who doesnt get a meal every day? Nobody who is broke enough to resort to crime to support their family?

Yeah you prolly are saying that and predictably you will rant on about homeless shelters and soup kitchens. Well they arent everywhere especially not in rural areas.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

Homelessness is a separate issue to unemployment, and yes, I am saying no one needs to resort to crime to support their family. What a nonsense. There is an adequate safety net in this country for everyone if they need it. The issue is what the money is spent on which is why those on the dole should never be given money but food stamps and vouchers.

Besides if all the unemployed get is vouchers and stamps how are they supposed to pay rent?

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg

The point is, Spot, that this is such a discriminatory move it should NEVER be allowed to be implemented.

Imagine the hue & cry if we decided that workers could only have half their pay in cash?

There'd be an uproar.

Well doing it to the unemployed is NO different, but far more repugnant.

These dummies like Ian et al need to accept that we have NO right to decide how the unemployed
spend THEIR money, and nor SHOULD we.

I'm sure conservatives want it specifically BECAUSE it's such an offensive and discriminatory idea.

Hoe DARE anyone assume I can't handle MY money, simply because I lose my job.

The unemployed need compensation for not having a job, not punishment.

I will never support a punitive or discriminatory response to the unemployment issue.

EVER!

Sadly, the Right are racing, as usual,to hurt the unemployed the most, but Labor are not far behind.

Oh, and the usual suspects needn't bother with their pathetic insults either...

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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #123 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:01am

Hoe DARE anyone assume I can't handle MY money, simply because I lose my job.

Governments never admit that unemployment is their problem/bad management, they always put the blame back on the job seekers.

There is no shame in being unemployed in this current economic climate.

A friend of mine works for Fosters and they are cutting staff there, unheard of, a booze company going bad, but that's a sign of things to come.

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Reply #124 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:27am

Young job seekers would be forced into tough army-style boot camps in order to qualify for the dole, under an election policy being considered by the Rudd government.

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Hilarious!

Only justice, seeing as how they're reportedly gonna all be voting for Rudd-Labor at the election.

If Rudd-Labor is re-elected the nation will be finished...so they're likely to be in boot camp for a very long time.

Many people running businesses are just waiting to see the election result.
If Rudd wins they'll be off to early retirement and business closure, no more jobs in them.

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Reply #125 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:40am

Mnemonic wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 12:34am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Only an ignorant fool would seriously compare the attacks on Australia to the sustained, solid daily bombings of Great Britain by Nazi Germany over a 5 year period.

Oh now pardon me for saying this, Andrei, but I would like to question the accuracy of this statement here.

Germany stopped bombing Britain in May 1941. It seems to have lasted barely 12 months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_britain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz

I am trying to pardon such a stupid statement.
Do us all a favour and do some bloody research first will you before posting such crap.
The Battle of Britain may have finished in 1940, but the bombing never stopped whether by aircraft or by V1 or V2 rockets later in the war.
Your obvious ignorance is astounding.

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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #126 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 12:19pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

I am trying to pardon such a stupid statement.
Do us all a favour and do some bloody research first will you before posting such crap.
The Battle of Britain may have finished in 1940, but the bombing never stopped whether by aircraft or by V1 or V2 rockets later in the war.
Your obvious ignorance is astounding.

You obviously missed the context in which I was posting that, despite the fact that I highlighted the key words in yellow. I was responding to a statement Andrei made of 5 years of "sustained, solid daily bombings." That was what I was disputing. Obviously the Germans may have made some minor sorties after "the Blitz" and "Battle of Britain," but they never went back to large-scale bombing of Britain. I was talking about sustained bombing. Maybe I should have been more "specific," but after writing several paragraphs, I decided to get to the point and put in something brief.

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Reply #127 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:21pm

If you think that the air raids on Great Britain began and ended with the run up to the 1940 Battle of Britain you are either ignorant or stupid.

I can excuse Buzz because he isn't very intelligent and quite gullible as a result of not ever having learned much but others can't be excused.

As an example, from October 1944 to Jan 1945 there were a total of 1,402 V2 rockets fired at Great Britain. 1,358 of them at London, 43 at Norwich and 1 landed in Ipswich.
A rough average of 11 attacks every night without warning.

I really do wonder just how much you people are taught about WW2 in the most important theatre of it, Europe.

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps Reply #128 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:25pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:21pm: I really do wonder just how much you people are taught about WW2 in the most important theatre of it, Europe. Yeah, not as far as we were concerned.
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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #129 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

If you think that the air raids on Great Britain began and ended with the run up to the 1940 Battle of Britain you are either ignorant or stupid.

I can excuse Buzz because he isn't very intelligent and quite gullible as a result of not ever having learned much but others can't be excused.

As an example, from October 1944 to Jan 1945 there were a total of 1,402 V2 rockets fired at Great Britain. 1,358 of them at London, 43 at Norwich and 1 landed in Ipswich.
A rough average of 11 attacks every night without warning.

I really do wonder just how much you people are taught about WW2 in the most important theatre of it, Europe.

I wonder what this has to do with proposed Youth Boot Camps?

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps Reply #130 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:33pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:37am: cods wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:42am: in my day. we were never called lazy cant typo ?
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Reply #131 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:46pm

Verge wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

If you think that the air raids on Great Britain began and ended with the run up to the 1940 Battle of Britain you are either ignorant or stupid.

I can excuse Buzz because he isn't very intelligent and quite gullible as a result of not ever having learned much but others can't be excused.

As an example, from October 1944 to Jan 1945 there were a total of 1,402 V2 rockets fired at Great Britain. 1,358 of them at London, 43 at Norwich and 1 landed in Ipswich.
A rough average of 11 attacks every night without warning.

I really do wonder just how much you people are taught about WW2 in the most important theatre of it, Europe.

I wonder what this has to do with proposed Youth Boot Camps?

bugger all but I hate ignorance.

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Reply #132 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:51pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

I really do wonder just how much you people are taught about WW2 in the most important theatre of it, Europe.

Yeah, not as far as we were concerned.

Not sure the families of Anzacs in Europe would agree.

The Australian Air Force flew in the Battle of Britain and in the Battle for the Atlantic.
The ANzacs were at El Alamein, Greece and Italy pushing the offensive.

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Reply #133 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 3:36pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

I really do wonder just how much you people are taught about WW2 in the most important theatre of it, Europe.

Yeah, not as far as we were concerned.

Not sure the families of Anzacs in Europe would agree.

The Australian Air Force flew in the Battle of Britain and in the Battle for the Atlantic.
The ANzacs were at El Alamein, Greece and Italy pushing the offensive.

Yeah but the Germans weren't bombing our country or sitting on our doorstep and if Curtain had his way all those Aussie troops woulve been back on our soil and not defending Britain

We were a lot more concerned with the Pacific Campaign than the European one because it affected us directly.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps Reply #134 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 3:58pm What the Boat People have over dole recipients is they are provided with shelter, food, medicine, the luxuries like access to television and computers. Most dole recipients 'not' living at their parent's home would never stretch their pittance to what the illegals get as soon as they hit dry dock.
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