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Reply #165 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 2:41pm
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 2:38pm:
The market is no measure of a persons worth but the degree of their corruption and level they can be morally compromised to get ahead with organized crime...



Organized crime eh?

Like Al Capone?
Jimmy Hoffa?
Kenny Noye?

Interesting circles you have....
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Reply #166 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 2:47pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 2:32pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 12:10pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 11:44am:
The unemployed are entitled to have what they like Kat.

What I would ask is what do they do to deserve more money?

What do they actually DO for it? I work 10-11 hours a day for my wage. What are the unemployed doing for the cash we give them?


Trying to survive and hoping to get a job but longer it goes less likely that is because they cant afford clothes and accommodation. One can only hope that you dont find out by getting retrenched.

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I have been retrenched in my time actually - something I worked to engineer as a payout.

You then get another job. Its about attitude, you either let life's challenges defeat you or make you.

We all have problems in life - it seems some just crumble and expect everyone else to bale them out.


Attitude is only a deciding factor in whether you get the job. 

The supply and demand of positions within your skill set determine whether or not you can get a job in the first place.

Whiles its easy to say "people should just re-train" it is actually a very ignorant and pathetic statement.

As a financial controller I know I can get a job any day of the week.  A process line worker can not.

Tell me which workers tend to get made redundant more often in larger groups which then floods the immediate labour market?

You really shouldnt begrudge those who are not as fortunate as yourself, its not really becoming of someone who touts themselves as a leader.
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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #167 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:17pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 2:41pm:
corporate_whitey wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 2:38pm:
The market is no measure of a persons worth but the degree of their corruption and level they can be morally compromised to get ahead with organized crime...



Organized crime eh?

Like Al Capone?
Jimmy Hoffa?
Kenny Noye?

Interesting circles you have....

Free Market capitalism is lawlessness and organized crime and should be treated as an organized crime problem...
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Reply #168 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:20pm
 
I don't think I've ever suggested people should re-train en masse - though people can do something about the line of work they are in compared to where the supply and demand of their particular location is.

That's what I'd do.

I am quite understanding of people who find themselves out of work through no fault of their own.
The retrenchment I had was part of a mass re-alignment of the production we were doing from ANZ to India and many were impacted.
Not everyone was as fortunate as I - no doubt at all.

But nonetheless many many people seem to feel the world owes them a living - it does not.
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Reply #169 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:23pm
 
Verge wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 2:47pm:
[quote author=Andrei.Hicks link=1374962909/162#162 date=1375245140]

As a financial controller I know I can get a job any day of the week.  A process line worker can not.

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You might want to think about that one.

I spent 3 month process hiring for a $200,000 Financial Controller down here - of the 10 final stage candidates I had - 7 were out of the workforce.

Good candidates too. Goldman Sachs, GM Holden, BHP, ANZ....

You MAY (heaven forbid) even need to do what I do and re-locate to where it suits better.
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Reply #170 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:38pm
 
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I am quite understanding of people who find themselves out of work through no fault of their own.


BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Bullshyt!

You've been in the thick of it, abusing those out of work, name-calling and stereotyping with the best of them, for years.

You've never given a smack about the unemployed except insofar as how denying them can benefit you.
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Reply #171 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:39pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:20pm:
I don't think I've ever suggested people should re-train en masse - though people can do something about the line of work they are in compared to where the supply and demand of their particular location is.

That's what I'd do.

I am quite understanding of people who find themselves out of work through no fault of their own.
The retrenchment I had was part of a mass re-alignment of the production we were doing from ANZ to India and many were impacted.
Not everyone was as fortunate as I - no doubt at all.

But nonetheless many many people seem to feel the world owes them a living - it does not.


No one is suggesting they are owed a living, and far from it.  What people expect is that their government wont let a segment of its population live in poverty and in unlivable conditions.

Unemployment brings about far more expenditure that a dole cheque on a cost to government.  Malnutrution brings an added burden to our health systems as people cant afford decent food, poor living conditions and homelessness bring about a whole range of illnesses related to living on the street which adds further costs to health care.  It also overburdens the work of charities, its volunteers and the requirement for donations.  Then there is also associated costs of law enforcement that comes with poverty as people are pushed into circumstances that ordinary people dont have a clue about.

The way you carry on you would think those on the dole are living it up and laughing at us.  The same man who thinks he deserves additional child care sponsored by the government while on a few hundred grand.

Tell me this much, if it is so easy, why not do it yourself?

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Reply #172 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:43pm
 
On the contrary, I think though that there exists generational unemployed who don't get off their arses and get a job - simply expecting us to pay for them.

They get concessions, they get benefits for families, they get unemployment hand-outs - plenty of things.

However not all of that goes where it should.

I am all for helping people to look after their families whilst they find work - I am not about helping them to go to the pub and get p1ssed with our money.

Hence why I prefer a voucher or stamp system as benefits.
That way we can be assured that at least it is targetted to the right areas of spending.

- And you're twisting my words on childcare. I said we needed help where others (like you) do not because we have no family network at all to help us.
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Reply #173 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:43pm
 
Kat wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:38pm:
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I am quite understanding of people who find themselves out of work through no fault of their own.


BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Bullshyt!

You've been in the thick of it, abusing those out of work, name-calling and stereotyping with the best of them, for years.

You've never given a smack about the unemployed except insofar as how denying them can benefit you.


All the while being an instrumental party of an organisation that made the dole que even longer by shipping jobs to India all the while enjoying his much loved bonus, and six months pay worth over a hundred grand.

Thats the difference between Andre and I, he carries out his duties as instructed and takes his money with a grin all the while trashing those who earn less than him.

Makes you wonder how he sleeps at night knowing that money is worth more to him that family and his fellow man.
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Reply #174 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:45pm
 
You'll find verge - that the decision on re-structuring was taken at an Exec level in Chicago at the time - well above me.

As you would damn well know.

It was my role as Project Lead to provide the varying options available to streamline the business and provide best value add to the bottom line.

One of which was a move to India. I also offered up 3 other solutions.

I sleep soundly as I did the job instructed to me to do. I might add my role was redundant as a result in Australia.
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Reply #175 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:59pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:43pm:
On the contrary, I think though that there exists generational unemployed who don't get off their arses and get a job - simply expecting us to pay for them.

They get concessions, they get benefits for families, they get unemployment hand-outs - plenty of things.

However not all of that goes where it should.

I am all for helping people to look after their families whilst they find work - I am not about helping them to go to the pub and get p1ssed with our money.

Hence why I prefer a voucher or stamp system as benefits.
That way we can be assured that at least it is targetted to the right areas of spending.

- And you're twisting my words on childcare. I said we needed help where others (like you) do not because we have no family network at all to help us.


The difference being you expect the tax payer to pick up the slack.  My wife is a stay at home mum, we dont rely on family to care for our kids.  What we do is take our kids to our family members houses, or they come to ours and we have what is called family time.

So both of us dont have family look after our kids, once again the difference being you want the tax payer to look after yours.
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Reply #176 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 4:03pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:45pm:
You'll find verge - that the decision on re-structuring was taken at an Exec level in Chicago at the time - well above me.

As you would damn well know.

It was my role as Project Lead to provide the varying options available to streamline the business and provide best value add to the bottom line.

One of which was a move to India. I also offered up 3 other solutions.

I sleep soundly as I did the job instructed to me to do. I might add my role was redundant as a result in Australia.

Thats right, you do the job, as instructed and as far as you're concerned that makes you a good boy.

I wont do the job at all.  My moral compass doesnt allow me to take orders which means thousands of people wont have a job, all the while taking a heafty pay packet myself.

What was your pay out again Andre, six months, 12 months for how many years with the company.  The the lowly process worker, 12 weeks?
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Reply #177 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 4:08pm
 
Society is entitled to defend itself from corruption and organized crime that seeks to deny any potion of society economic rights, social security and safety...If we abolished private property we would eliminate organized crime right there...
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Reply #178 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 4:17pm
 
Verge wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 4:03pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 3:45pm:
You'll find verge - that the decision on re-structuring was taken at an Exec level in Chicago at the time - well above me.

As you would damn well know.

It was my role as Project Lead to provide the varying options available to streamline the business and provide best value add to the bottom line.

One of which was a move to India. I also offered up 3 other solutions.

I sleep soundly as I did the job instructed to me to do. I might add my role was redundant as a result in Australia.

Thats right, you do the job, as instructed and as far as you're concerned that makes you a good boy.

I wont do the job at all.  My moral compass doesnt allow me to take orders which means thousands of people wont have a job, all the while taking a heafty pay packet myself.

What was your pay out again Andre, six months, 12 months for how many years with the company.  The the lowly process worker, 12 weeks?



I think all in all we treated our Australian employees pretty well.

They received their contracted pay outs, notice period, leave, pro-rated LSL and offered them counselling and re-training.

I was treated just the same and was paid out my contractual obligations, my 3m notice and pro-rated LSL.
I didn't need the re-training etc because I took up a role in Canada.

My wife too is a stay at home verge - difference is we get no break at all like you do with family around to help you.
Hence why we need the childcare help.
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Reply #179 - Jul 31st, 2013 at 4:25pm
 
corporate_whitey wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 4:08pm:
If we abolished private property we would eliminate organized crime right there...



If some one took away your computer we would eliminate at least 20% of the world's stupidity right there.


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