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Reply #180 - Jul 31^st, 2013 at 4:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 4:17pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 4:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 3:45pm:

You'll find verge - that the decision on re-structuring was taken at an Exec level in Chicago at the time - well above me.

As you would damn well know.

It was my role as Project Lead to provide the varying options available to streamline the business and provide best value add to the bottom line.

One of which was a move to India. I also offered up 3 other solutions.

I sleep soundly as I did the job instructed to me to do. I might add my role was redundant as a result in Australia.

Thats right, you do the job, as instructed and as far as you're concerned that makes you a good boy.

I wont do the job at all. My moral compass doesnt allow me to take orders which means thousands of people wont have a job, all the while taking a heafty pay packet myself.

What was your pay out again Andre, six months, 12 months for how many years with the company. The the lowly process worker, 12 weeks?

I think all in all we treated our Australian employees pretty well.

They received their contracted pay outs, notice period, leave, pro-rated LSL and offered them counselling and re-training.

I was treated just the same and was paid out my contractual obligations, my 3m notice and pro-rated LSL.
I didn't need the re-training etc because I took up a role in Canada.

My wife too is a stay at home verge - difference is we get no break at all like you do with family around to help you.
Hence why we need the childcare help.

Difference being you got 21 months pay, and the most the people you put on the scrap heap got was 5.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps Reply #181 - Jul 31^st, 2013 at 4:54pm See my prior comment on market rate and market value. I had a redudancy clause in mine + annual leave of 7 weeks + 3 month notice. Those guys still got 2 weeks for every year of service which is pretty fking good. And again, I played no part in the decision. I presented the options and my role ended there.
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Reply #182 - Jul 31^st, 2013 at 5:03pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 4:54pm:

See my prior comment on market rate and market value.

I had a redudancy clause in mine + annual leave of 7 weeks + 3 month notice.

Those guys still got 2 weeks for every year of service which is pretty fking good.

And again, I played no part in the decision. I presented the options and my role ended there.

And it further reiterates my point that major retrechment doesnt hurt the likes of you who receive enough pay that you dont need to find a job for over a year and a half, yet those who are hurt the most dont have that do they.

You also didnt get your three months notice though did you Andre.

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Reply #183 - Jul 31^st, 2013 at 5:40pm

Poor Andre, walks away the equivilent of 10 years wages for the people he put on the scrap heap, then lectures them on doing nothing but wanting handouts and something for nothing.

What did you get for nothing Andre, $350k, $400k

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 27^th, 2011 at 9:13am:

Contesting anything in law is costly and fraught with risk Bobby.

I was due 2 years pay-out from my company when we restructured. They offered me 18 months and gave some bullsh*t reason as to why I wasn't getting the additional 6 months.

I went to see a lawyer ($400 per hour) and he said I do have a strong case but if it goes all the way I could be up for $20k+ in costs and that there is no guarantee I win.

His last words "It really can come down to the mood of the Judge. If he thinks you may have a case but you are being greedy, he could quite easily rule against you in Victoria. It is his discretion."

In the end I ended up playing a hard-ball game with the company and said I had taken legal advice. They moved 3 months and I moved 3 months so I got 21 months payout instead of 2 years.

I was still swindled out of $50k from what the contract said though but the risk wasn't there to take it on.

The same with contesting wills, if you lose, you're in all sorts of trouble cost-wise.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps Reply #184 - Jul 31^st, 2013 at 5:48pm It wasn't something for nothing. It was payment for completion of a task and redundancy of a role. And I was swindled yeah.
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Reply #186 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:02am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 8:18am:

The ALP and the Coalition need a boot camp for themselves, they're both out of control.

Punish the youth, they're all lazy.....nothing to do with the fact that there is NO work.

Little boot camps to con the youngsters into signing for the big boot camp.

WRONG PANSI

There is work available it is just not being made available to the people that need it.

Make the JOB fit the unemployed persons qualification, then they are seeking a career not just a Job.

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Reply #187 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:14am

ian wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

for many unemployed its not about a comfortable lifestyle, its about avoiding work at all cost. Un employment breeds crime, so what we need to start doing is to stop handing ourt money for nothing. Work for the dole must happen, in all cases. We may be surprised how many people actually find productive work for themselves when faced with the fact they are going to have to work anyway. The indigenous unemployment rate is a disgrace at 16 percent. We have too many in this country sitting on their arses with their hands out, it has to stop.

And Why IGNORANT Ian should they have too look for work, if a person is trained and skilled for a job you provide them with a Job in there trained and skilled profession.

KICK DOWN DOORS make jobs available to the people that need them.

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Reply #188 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:47am

warrigal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:14am:

ian wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

for many unemployed its not about a comfortable lifestyle, its about avoiding work at all cost. Un employment breeds crime, so what we need to start doing is to stop handing ourt money for nothing. Work for the dole must happen, in all cases. We may be surprised how many people actually find productive work for themselves when faced with the fact they are going to have to work anyway. The indigenous unemployment rate is a disgrace at 16 percent. We have too many in this country sitting on their arses with their hands out, it has to stop.

And Why IGNORANT Ian should they have too look for work, if a person is trained and skilled for a job you provide them with a Job in there trained and skilled profession.

KICK DOWN DOORS make jobs available to the people that need them.

You will never have a job if you expect others to get it for you; it is YOUR job to get YOUR job.

You are not special, you are just like the rest of us, time you realised that.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps Reply #189 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:55am ian wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 8:46pm: Kat wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:59am: Fool. Harridan. Sorry, I don't know this Harry, or his mate, Dan...
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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps Reply #190 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:27am provde jobs you ignorant bastards
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Reply #191 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:40am

warrigal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:27am:

provde jobs you ignorant bastards

Many, many jobs are adverstised every week and even more become available without being advertised, go and find one that suits or adjust your expectations and accept one that isn't totally perfect in every way.

The main thing is it is up to you to find a job, not sit on your arse and wait for one to be handed to you.

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Reply #192 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:47am

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:40am:

warrigal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:27am:

provde jobs you ignorant bastards

Many, many jobs are adverstised every week and even more become available without being advertised, go and find one that suits or adjust your expectations and accept one that isn't totally perfect in every way.

The main thing is it is up to you to find a job, not sit on your arse and wait for one to be handed to you.

WELL YOU IGNORANT Arshole BIG ASS
Make them available to the people than need them the Job seekers that are unemployed.

Our New or is that Old PM has this saying now we have to grow the nations Pie.

Well Big ASS how do we grow the nations pie, when half the population is denied access to job search and Employment. How do these people help grow the nations pie when they are forced to live in poverty.

Unemployment benefits are living in poverty.

YOU can't solve unemployment if you do nothing to help people get Employment.

You can't solve unemployment if you ignore it and hope it will just disappear off the face of this earth it won't.

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Reply #193 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:57am

warrigal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:47am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:40am:

warrigal wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:27am:

provde jobs you ignorant bastards

Many, many jobs are adverstised every week and even more become available without being advertised, go and find one that suits or adjust your expectations and accept one that isn't totally perfect in every way.

The main thing is it is up to you to find a job, not sit on your arse and wait for one to be handed to you.

WELL YOU IGNORANT Arshole BIG ASS
Make them available to the people than need them the Job seekers that are unemployed.

Our New or is that Old PM has this saying now we have to grow the nations Pie.

Well Big ASS how do we grow the nations pie, when half the population is denied access to job search and Employment. How do these people help grow the nations pie when they are forced to live in poverty.

Unemployment benefits are living in poverty.

YOU can't solve unemployment if you do nothing to help people get Employment.

You can't solve unemployment if you ignore it and hope it will just disappear off the face of this earth it won't.

Just bugger off will ya, you are nothing but a whiney little b1tch, no wonder you are unemployable.

I don't even know you and Im sich to death of ya.

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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps Reply #194 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 7:07am IGNORANT BASTARD BIG ASS COME NEER ME I will cut your fckn head off IGNORANT bastard
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