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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #75 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 5:10pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 3:13pm:
Kat wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 8:29am:
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The Brahminy Foundation's Wilderness Camp, 200 kilometres from Darwin, is for some of society's most troubled and unemployable youths.



Sounds like a POW camp, or Deep-South 'road-gang'-style incarceration to me.

Is this the first step towards locking our unemployed up for being unemployed?

If so, God help this country, because I surely will not.


so why do you want to vote labor then??  no matter how much you hate abbott, these kinds of Rudd policies are far right of the liberals.  If you are to be true to your convictions them you MUST vote Liberal.


I'm being true to my convictions by voting for neither.

But keep thinking I'm a Laborite if it helps you sleep at night...
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Reply #76 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 5:28pm
 
The Australian Greens, are the ones that support a fair and just increase of $50 a week for the unemployed.  Vote 1 Australian Greens.     Smiley
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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #77 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 5:34pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 1:27pm:


Oh really? How would you know this? the lifestyle of not being able to afford rent you mean?

As for crime - well - you have a bunch of ppl in poverty and thats what happens.

SOB

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bs, poverty is an excuse for crime, and poverty here is nothing compared to 3rd world countries many of which have a far lower crime rate than us. Our society has become one of self entitlement, particularly in relation to those who live off social security. Its only supposed to be a safety net, not afford a comfortable existence.
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Reply #78 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 5:48pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 4:37pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 8:20am:
Rudd will have them goosestepping around in their little black uniforms in no time.


This is choice.
Not creating any new jobs, just showing a tough face.

rudd has failed at every jump.
It was fuel watch, grocery watch, now youth watch.


No, not youth watch Sprint.
Something much better than that.
Rudd Youth.
Kinda like the Hitler Youth goosestepping around in their black uniforms, but without the racism, violence and the nazi salutes.
At least the kids will be able to march in step, not to mention looking good after having a proper haircut.  Smiley
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Reply #79 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:05pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 5:34pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 1:27pm:


Oh really? How would you know this? the lifestyle of not being able to afford rent you mean?

As for crime - well - you have a bunch of ppl in poverty and thats what happens.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg
bs, poverty is an excuse for crime, and poverty here is nothing compared to 3rd world countries many of which have a far lower crime rate than us. Our society has become one of self entitlement, particularly in relation to those who live off social security. Its only supposed to be a safety net, not afford a comfortable existence.



For which the current rate is woefully insufficient, and has been for a decade at least.
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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #80 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:15pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 3:17pm:
cods wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 8:42am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 8:34am:
cods wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 8:26am:
[quote author=pansi1951 link=1374962909/1#1 date=1374963510]
The ALP and the Coalition need a boot camp for themselves, they're both out of control.



Punish the youth, they're all lazy.....nothing to do with the fact that there is NO work.

Little boot camps to con the youngsters into signing for the big boot camp.




shhhhh pansi someone from the left tells us this govt has created 4 million jobs..

well THEY believe it?.

can you see any govt making this generation DO ANYTHING?...hilarious.


You do realise the previous generation said the same thing about your generation cods.

I wouldn't speak too ill of them because it is these same people who will be changing your diapers in the future. You wouldn't want them to leave you messy for too long, would you?

Is it the government wrecking manufacturing or the "lazy" kids?.....you can't have it both ways.

This generation is not lazy, they work damn hard, when they get the opportunity.

It's the economy.........



onai you are probably of a different generation to me.. but believe me.. we all had jobs.. good and bad.. no such thing as dole in my day. we were never called lazy cant get out of bed..

this generation is lazy pansi.. I remember someone suggesting the get on a BUS to go to work.. shock waves went through the place.

they do not work hard pansi.. they have far too many machines to do what MY GENERATION DID BY HAND AND BACK..

sorry matey...but that is a fact..men dont dig roads today machines do..

its the same with accounting.. its done my machine..

I would not go down a mine if you paid me too...and I admire those that do...but even that is becoming a thing of the past its all opencut now...

look around pansi things have changed an awful lot.

honest to god stop finding excuses for everything.


thats nonsense cods. The idea that 'the good old days' had full employment is as silly as it is provably wrong.  In fact, for most of the last 15 years we have had historically LOWER unemployment than most of the last century.  You seem to forget the 10%+ unemployment of the 70s and 80s, to 30%+unemployment of the 30s that was only ended by the major employer called WW2.  The 'good old days' never existed.  even the 1950s very low unemployment was a farce as it was only achieved by denying married women the right to work.




I dont have a clue what you are going on about.. who mentioned unemployment what I said was we did not have the dole..I had no trouble finding employment..I did office work so it may have been easy I dont know.. but I do not remember any form of dole for unemployed in England..unless I was lucky and didnt know anyone who didnt have a job...

my husbands family who were poor even by those standards.. would go hop picking during the school holidays..like  gypsies.his dad worked but he also likes the pub.
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Reply #81 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:16pm
 
Kat wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:05pm:
ian wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 5:34pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 1:27pm:


Oh really? How would you know this? the lifestyle of not being able to afford rent you mean?

As for crime - well - you have a bunch of ppl in poverty and thats what happens.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg
bs, poverty is an excuse for crime, and poverty here is nothing compared to 3rd world countries many of which have a far lower crime rate than us. Our society has become one of self entitlement, particularly in relation to those who live off social security. Its only supposed to be a safety net, not afford a comfortable existence.



For which the current rate is woefully insufficient, and has been for a decade at least.




have you lived on the dole kat?..
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Re: The ALP Eyes Youth Dole Boot Camps
Reply #82 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:29pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 3:52pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 2:16pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 12:48pm:
You cannot compare the impact of WW2 on Australia compared to
how we suffered
through consistent bombing campaigns of 1940-44.
Whilst Australia like many suffered to so extent, it pales in comparison to Europe and Great Britain.






OBVIOUSLY, "life in the colonies" was ( ... is ?) a component of little interest to the insular British education curriculum -
"How We Won the War"



Australia bombed, strafed and shelled


http://www.awm.gov.au/exhibitions/underattack/images/maps/attacks.gif


A desperate air battle was fought over Darwin yesterday as the air war in Australia’s north flared to its greatest pitch of fury.
The Sun, 20 February 1942


On 19 February 1942 Japanese bombs fell on mainland Australia for the first time. The port and city of Darwin suffered two devastating attacks by over 188 Japanese aircraft that day.

Over the next twenty months northern Australia was to endure almost a hundred air raids, from Exmouth in the west to Townsville in the east. At the same time, Japanese submarines attacked merchant vessels off the coast of eastern Australia.

Reactions to these attacks varied across Australia. For those close to the areas under attack, the damage was obvious and the response immediate.

The population in southern Australia was shielded from the detail of the attacks by distance and wartime censorship. Nevertheless, strict air raid precautions were implemented and the civilian population prepared to face the national emergency.

On the night of 31 May – 1 June 1942 three Japanese midget submarines attacked Sydney Harbour. They were launched from a group of five larger submarines waiting off the Heads. All three midget submarines were lost, with two of them destroyed before they could fire their torpedoes. The third fired at but missed the USS Chicago, sinking HMAS Kuttabul, a coverted ferry, and killing 21 sleeping sailors aboard. Reactions by Sydney residents varied; a few made plans to flee the city, but many came to watch the recovery of the submarines.

A week after the midget submarine attack on Sydney Harbour, two of the larger submarines returned to bombard Sydney and Newcastle with their deck guns. One shelled Newcastle for twenty minutes until driven off by fire from coastal artillery defences. Another submarine fired ten rounds into eastern Sydney.

http://www.awm.gov.au/exhibitions/underattack/bombed/



During all of this, as in WW1, the Australian Defence Forces were in Europe- acting as cannon fodder - fighting "Britain's War"

A gesture, never reciprocated



But no-one EVER suffers as much as the English ( ... or as LOUDLY, at least)





Perhaps a visit to the Australian War Memorial might bring a little more RESPECT to the forefront - from the pair of you ?










now you just sound like a fool. .

we had ONE attack on the mainland.







What IS this ...

An
IGNORAMOUS ANONYMOUS
convention ?



There were EIGHTY EIGHT Japanese Air Force bombing raids on mainland Australia - including SIXTY FOUR on Darwin, ALONE

http://www.awm.gov.au/encyclopedia/air_raids/raids/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17073472


And not forgetting TWO Japanese submarine attacks on Sydney from the harbour

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs192.aspx





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Reply #83 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:39pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:16pm:
Kat wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:05pm:
ian wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 5:34pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 1:27pm:


Oh really? How would you know this? the lifestyle of not being able to afford rent you mean?

As for crime - well - you have a bunch of ppl in poverty and thats what happens.

SOB

http://spotofborg.com/files/persecution5.jpg
bs, poverty is an excuse for crime, and poverty here is nothing compared to 3rd world countries many of which have a far lower crime rate than us. Our society has become one of self entitlement, particularly in relation to those who live off social security. Its only supposed to be a safety net, not afford a comfortable existence.



For which the current rate is woefully insufficient, and has been for a decade at least.




have you lived on the dole kat?..



No.

I've subsisted on it a couple of times, most notably during the 'recession we had to have'.

But live? No, can't be done.
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Reply #84 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:39pm
 
Only an ignorant fool would seriously compare the attacks on Australia to the sustained, solid daily bombings of Great Britain by Nazi Germany over a 5 year period.

An utter utter fool you are Buzz.

Britain suffered terribly in the war both in the attacks on our mainland and the men that we lost.
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Reply #85 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 9:14pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:39pm:
Only an ignorant fool would seriously compare the attacks on Australia to the sustained, solid daily bombings of Great Britain by Nazi Germany over a 5 year period.

An utter utter fool you are Buzz.

Britain suffered terribly in the war both in the attacks on our mainland and the men that we lost.




... not to mention the many Australian troops fighting Britain's war - despite their OWN home-land under simultaneous air attack by Japanese forces ( ... an expectation of the colony, at the day) 




I didn't say one was more or less than the OTHER

It's not a smacking CONTEST


- but an attempt at an education, for those lacking, in bombing attacks on Australian soil during WW2



Japanese views are understandable
To this day - the history of the Japanese-Australian war in the Pacific is subject to censorship in Japanese education

The British believe WW2 was between Britain and Germany - and Britain won

But the ignorance shown by a "know it all" middle-aged, bible-bashing capitalist from Adelaide, Australia - is indescribable




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Reply #86 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 9:26pm
 
WW2 was a GLOBAL war between the Allies of the British Empire, the United States and Free France v the Axis Powers of Nazi Germany, Italy and Japan.

bugger knows what p1ss poor education they teach you down here but the small number of attacks left Australia pretty much untouched.

In contrast our cities were decimated by daily bombings given we are just an hour and a bit flight from Germany.

Australia's major hubs by contrast are a long way from the Japanese Asia.


You really have no idea.
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Reply #87 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 9:34pm
 
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WW2 was a GLOBAL war between the Allies of the British Empire, the United States and Free France v the Axis Powers of Nazi Germany, Italy and Japan.


You forgot the most important one:

The USSR.

Without them being involved there would have been no defeat of Germany in 1945.

D Day probably wouldn't have happened - well, not successfully with the yanks still fighting Japan.
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Reply #88 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 9:36pm
 
Yes admittedly the Soviet Union in Europe.
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Reply #89 - Jul 28th, 2013 at 9:39pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 11:28am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 10:46am:
Kat wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 10:44am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 28th, 2013 at 10:42am:
It is good to have a pool of available workers.

It isn't as good to have a pool of oxygen stealers who haven't worked a day in decades and spent my money on beer.



And as long as you persist in that erroneous misconception, you'll have no credibility.


Credibility with who?

I just received a high mark on my performance review and was labelled "exceptional" in my achievement of corporate objectives.
I'll take that credibility over the thoughts of the oddballs on here.

I am your better.


I know a dude who was a financial controller of a company who was on a five figure salary plus company car. They sent a couple of indian dudes from india to find out what he was doing and 2 weeks after that he got the push and his job is now being done in India for $7000 a year Wink

Nobody is indispensable hicks Wink


As well he knows....

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