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Reply #15 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:38am

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

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Since when is supporting the removal of a dictator who starved his own people, gassed them in the north and put opponents in acid baths - a bad thing???

When the process of removing that dictator results in far more deaths and the population being far worse off than if that dictator had remained in power.

You would be happy to continue to allow him to gas his own people, lock them up, threaten our oil supply, hold the world to ransom and starve the Shias.

Right you are. What a lovely compassionate set of people...

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Reply #16 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:57am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

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Since when is supporting the removal of a dictator who starved his own people, gassed them in the north and put opponents in acid baths - a bad thing???

When the process of removing that dictator results in far more deaths and the population being far worse off than if that dictator had remained in power.

You would be happy to continue to allow him to gas his own people, lock them up, threaten our oil supply, hold the world to ransom and starve the Shias.

Right you are. What a lovely compassionate set of people...

But that wasnt the reason why were going there in the first place was it.

I have issues with people who commit billions of dollars of tax payer funds on a campaign which has nothing to do with us and they blantly lie about it.

I find it amusing you are so anti foreign aid but suddenly support the notion of freeing people from a dictator.

What the difference between the two, other than oil of course.

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Torpedo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 867 Sydney Gender:	Re: Someone I would enjoy punchin in the head Reply #17 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 11:06am ian wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 11:59pm: OK. 2 people I would enjoy punching in the head. we can help each other, let's catch up. I also feel kinda unsatisfied, need to take it out on the racists like you, on the other side of the fence. Let's do it. Can't wait
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Re: Someone I would enjoy punchin in the head
Reply #18 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 11:59am

Verge wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

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Since when is supporting the removal of a dictator who starved his own people, gassed them in the north and put opponents in acid baths - a bad thing???

When the process of removing that dictator results in far more deaths and the population being far worse off than if that dictator had remained in power.

You would be happy to continue to allow him to gas his own people, lock them up, threaten our oil supply, hold the world to ransom and starve the Shias.

Right you are. What a lovely compassionate set of people...

But that wasnt the reason why were going there in the first place was it.

I have issues with people who commit billions of dollars of tax payer funds on a campaign which has nothing to do with us and they blantly lie about it.

I find it amusing you are so anti foreign aid but suddenly support the notion of freeing people from a dictator.

What the difference between the two, other than oil of course.

I'm not anti-foreign aid - I am anti just dolling out cash to countries who don't need it.

Australia gave foreign aid to India the same year India spent $1bn on a satellite programme.

I am always in support of removiing dictators who threaten their neighbours and brutalize their own people.

As Tony Blair said at the time "If you see a man beating a woman on the other side of the street do you put your head down, walk on by and say 'it's not our business?' Is that what we do? Walk on by? No if I am going to lead this country, we will make it our business and we will do what's right"

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Re: Someone I would enjoy punchin in the head
Reply #19 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:14pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

As Tony Blair said at the time "If you see a man beating a woman on the other side of the street do you put your head down, walk on by and say 'it's not our business?' Is that what we do? Walk on by? No if I am going to lead this country, we will make it our business and we will do what's right"

Exactly why didn't the "Coalition of the Willing" not only invade Iraq but also Zimbabwe, Cambodia, Syria, West Papua, The Congo, in fact basically the whole continent of Africa, the whole middle east region & most Baltic states?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

I am always in support of removiing dictators who threaten their neighbours and brutalize their own people.

All fit your above description.
Especially in 2003.

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Reply #20 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:20pm

Global politics prevents us acting in all those places - even though I believe we should.

Africa is a tinderbox and the attempts so far have been to resolve by way of a regional solution.

Congo for example has seen attempts by Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria to broker ceasefires etc.

Syria should be invaded but currently Russia is preventing this.

The difference with Iraq is there was no regional partnership - mainly because rounding up Arabs to agree on something is like trying to get 15 mice to all stand still in a line.

Therefore we work with a regional partner - in this case Kuwait and Saudi - and roll our sleeves up and get in there.
It was as Blair said "simply the right thing to do and I'd take the same decision again".

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Reply #21 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

Global politics prevents us acting in all those places - even though I believe we should.

Africa is a tinderbox and the attempts so far have been to resolve by way of a regional solution.

Congo for example has seen attempts by Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria to broker ceasefires etc.

Syria should be invaded but currently Russia is preventing this.

The difference with Iraq is there was no regional partnership - mainly because rounding up Arabs to agree on something is like trying to get 15 mice to all stand still in a line.

Therefore we work with a regional partner - in this case Kuwait and Saudi - and roll our sleeves up and get in there.
It was as Blair said "simply the right thing to do and I'd take the same decision again".

So apparently we require a few men at once to cross the street hey?

If you happen to witness a women being bashed by yourself then
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

you put your head down, walk on by and say 'it's not our business?'

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Reply #22 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 1:29pm

Ignoring your somewhat deliberately obtuse response here and taking it at face value.

If you see a situation that needs to be dealt with then we need to calculate the best response -

1. In a part of the world where we (Britain, the US and France) may have previously acted as colonial power (think Africa) we need to work out whether intervening on our own may be viewed as colonial muscle flexing again. Hence why a regional situation is more likely to work.

2. If there exists no regional solution (Arab world) then we need to act with a regional partner if possible.

3. The last resort is if no regional power is available we act ourselves (Britain in Sierra Leone, the US in Somalia, France in the Cote D'Ivoire, the US in Haiti).

It's all about weighing up how much bang for your buck.

Going in ourselves - as much as I'd like to particularly in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe - would allow a tyrant like Mugabe to say Britain is looking to take control again.

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Someone I would enjoy punchin in the head Reply #24 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:23pm ... wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:14pm: ian wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 10:59pm: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10904360 Why's it any of your business? Why isnt it? He had made a comment on a public article about something that obviously offends him.
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Re: Someone I would enjoy punchin in the head
Reply #25 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:40pm

Verge wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

... wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

ian wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10904360

Why's it any of your business?

Why isnt it?

He had made a comment on a public article about something that obviously offends him.

Comment is fine - but if you go round punching people in the head for slights that aren't even directed at you, or even anyone you know, you're going to end up in an early grave - and we'll all be better off without you.

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