Australian Politics Forum - The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet

Baronvonrort

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 18257
Gender: male

The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:32pm

Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum

Memoirs of the noble prophet (pbuh? - pedophile bastard unworthy human?)

By Saifur Rahman al Mubarakpuri

Link
pdf small file-www.islamtomorrow.com/thesealednectar.pdf

When you look at the table of contents this Mohammad appears to be a warlord, if you read it it will confirm he was a warlord.

So what do the muslims in this forum think about the prophets memoirs?

Back to top

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

IP Logged

John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74217 Gender:	Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet Reply #1 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:34pm that he wasn't a warlord
Back to top	Our esteemed leader: I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus. IP Logged

Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18257 Gender:	Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet Reply #2 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:42pm John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:34pm: that he wasn't a warlord Please read his memoirs before claiming he was not a warlord.
Back to top	Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it. IP Logged

True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet Reply #3 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:57pm George Washington - warlord! Abraham Lincoln - warlord! Winston Churchill - warlord! Warlords celebrated in Western culture! It is an outrage!
Back to top	IP Logged

... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet Reply #4 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 10:25pm he was a warlord...but now he's become so much more. Good for him.
Back to top	In the fullness of time... IP Logged

John Smith

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 74217
Gender: male

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #5 - Jul 29^th, 2013 at 11:35pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

that he wasn't a warlord

Please read his memoirs before claiming he was not a warlord.

You misunderstand, I was simply answering your question ..... You asked

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:32pm:

So what do the muslims in this forum think about the prophets memoirs?

answer

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:34pm:

that he wasn't a warlord

I know he was a warlord

Back to top

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #6 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am

"The Prophet was a warlord"

Gee, what a intelligent and meaningful thing to say.

What is a "warlord"?

Quote:

A warlord is a person with power who has both military and civil[1] control over a subnational area due to armed forces loyal to the warlord and not to a central authority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord

The Prophet had both civil and military power over a subnational area in the Arabian peninsula. If any "central authority" could be defined in Arabia during that time, it wasn't the small islamic community.

So, sorry John Smith, you are wrong - muslims will happily answer that Muhammad was "a warlord" - in accordance to the commonly accepted definition.

Poor Baron thought that he was saying something badass. Its a bit sad really.

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

John Smith

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 74217
Gender: male

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #7 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:50am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

"The Prophet was a warlord"

Gee, what a intelligent and meaningful thing to say.

What is a "warlord"?

Quote:

A warlord is a person with power who has both military and civil[1] control over a subnational area due to armed forces loyal to the warlord and not to a central authority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord

The Prophet had both civil and military power over a subnational area in the Arabian peninsula. If any "central authority" could be defined in Arabia during that time, it wasn't the small islamic community.

So, sorry John Smith, you are wrong - muslims will happily answer that Muhammad was "a warlord" - in accordance to the commonly accepted definition.

Poor Baron thought that he was saying something badass. Its a bit sad really.

I'm no expert on Prophets, Islamic or otherwise, but didn't he only gain that civil power after exercising and enforcing his military powers?

Back to top

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #8 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:01am

John Smith wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:50am:

I'm no expert on Prophets, Islamic or otherwise, but didn't he only gain that civil power after exercising and enforcing his military powers?

No - his first administrative rule was in Medina. At the time he was a fugitive after being expelled from Mecca. He was invited in to mediate over a conflict between two rival tribes, and became de-facto ruler of the oasis. He was hardly in a position to assert himself in Medina militarily - since his followers probably numbered less than 100 at the time. Here he instituted the covenant of Medina - granting full protections and rights to all citizens - muslim and non-muslim.

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

Baronvonrort

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 18257
Gender: male

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #9 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 1:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

"The Prophet was a warlord"

Gee, what a intelligent and meaningful thing to say.

Poor Baron thought that he was saying something badass. Its a bit sad really.

When you read the Quran it appears Allah creator of the universe has the mentality of a tribal warlord from the Arabian desert.
Does anyone else think it is absurd that the creator of the universe would have the mentality of a tribal warlord from the Arabian desert?

Here is another list of the expeditions of the tribal warlord that muslims call a prophet from god.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad

I like the first one in that list,Muhammad's reason for the expedition-Raid Quraish (jewish?) caravans to relieve themselves from poverty.

Back to top

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #10 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:12pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

I like the first one in that list,Muhammad's reason for the expedition-Raid Quraish (jewish?)

no. The Quraysh were idol worshippers who persecuted and chased the muslims out of Mecca for daring to suggest there was only one God. As I've explained to FD, the war against them had well and trully been declared - by the Quraysh.

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

Baronvonrort

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 18257
Gender: male

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #11 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

I like the first one in that list,Muhammad's reason for the expedition-Raid Quraish (jewish?)

no. The Quraysh were idol worshippers who persecuted and chased the muslims out of Mecca for daring to suggest there was only one God. As I've explained to FD, the war against them had well and trully been declared - by the Quraysh.

Wiki lists the reason for the raids -to relieve themselves from poverty

Mecca was a multicultural society with all gods allowed before Mohammad imposed the first religious dictatorship outlawing all other gods except his imaginary friend in the sky called allah.

Back to top

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #12 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:25pm:

Wiki lists the reason for the raids -to relieve themselves from poverty

Interesting Baron. Please tell me more. For instance, why was it that they were in such poverty? Did it have anything to do with them being persecuted, booted out of their homes and having all their property confiscated? Maybe they were "robbing" what was rightfully theirs anyway?

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

freediver

Gold Member

Offline

www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48833
At my desk.

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #13 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 6:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

"The Prophet was a warlord"

Gee, what a intelligent and meaningful thing to say.

What is a "warlord"?

Quote:

A warlord is a person with power who has both military and civil[1] control over a subnational area due to armed forces loyal to the warlord and not to a central authority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord

The Prophet had both civil and military power over a subnational area in the Arabian peninsula. If any "central authority" could be defined in Arabia during that time, it wasn't the small islamic community.

So, sorry John Smith, you are wrong - muslims will happily answer that Muhammad was "a warlord" - in accordance to the commonly accepted definition.

Poor Baron thought that he was saying something badass. Its a bit sad really.

While Muslims often claim that Muhammed raised standards, he actually lowered them. The execution of 700 POWs by Muhammed for example was a low point, even by the brutal standards of 7th century Arab tribal warfare. He built the a large, rapidly expanding militant empire. He was a ruthless warlord by anyone's standards. He was also a womaniser, thief, wife beater and murderer. The only thing that sets him apart is the absurd lengths people will go to to excuse every single one of his crimes.

Back to top

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

IP Logged

Baronvonrort

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 18257
Gender: male

Re: The Sealed Nectar-memoirs of the prophet
Reply #14 - Jul 30^th, 2013 at 7:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 2:25pm:

Wiki lists the reason for the raids -to relieve themselves from poverty

Interesting Baron. Please tell me more. For instance, why was it that they were in such poverty? Did it have anything to do with them being persecuted, booted out of their homes and having all their property confiscated? Maybe they were "robbing" what was rightfully theirs anyway?

Was Abu Bakr a cavemate of Mo?

Back to top

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

IP Logged