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Reply #15 - Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 8:18pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 6:29pm:

King Richard II, a devout Christian, married Isabella of Valois when she was six.

How many people think king Richard 2 was a perfect role model to follow for all time, is it just unemployed kiwi immigrants like you?

People get killed for insulting Mohammad they have the death penalty for that in some Islamic countries, does anyone get hurt/imprisoned/killed for insulting King Richard the 2nd in the year 2013?

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Reply #17 - Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 9:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:18am:

Baron, Khomenei's "thighing" claim seems to be a fake.

Yeah muslims have also said Prophet Mo prescribing the drinking of camel urine was fake, i have always asked why muslims can never agree on anything from the niqab to terror if Islam was perfected like allah claims in the Quran, you and others have dodged this question.
There is a hadith with Safiyya about the veil, if she wears one she will be a muslim if not then she will be his slave girl, does that verse prove the veil was used in Mohammad's time and not an imported custom as some muslims claim?

As for Khomeni if you search for it you get the typical muslim confusion with half saying bullshit then others saying it is true.

Here is a 100% Islamic link for you Gandalf about Khomeni, Go to the section "The imam has mutah with a small child
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Indeed the ruling of having mutah with a small child is permissible but only with fondling,kisses and squeezing with the thighs,as for intercourse,indeed she is not strong enough to do it.
[url]www.theunjustmedia.com/Islamic Perspectives/March13/"Why I Left Shi'ah"--Sayyid Husain Al-Musawi.htm[/url]

For some reason link not working yet google gets a link that works by searching for author Sayyid Husain Al Musawi and clicking unjustmedia link.

You could google-Saudi/Yemeni child bride which are quite common today to see how the sunni follow the example of Mohammad by marrying children.

Girls who have reached puberty are not allowed to play with dolls in Islam, does this hadith confirm Aisha was prepubescent when she was taken to Mo's house as his bride at age 9?
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taken to his house as a bride when she was 9,and her dolls were with her
www.sunnah.com/muslim/16/83

Even Bukhari who is pretty solid for the sunni side says it is haram for a girl who has reached puberty to have dolls and Aisha had not reached puberty
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/78/157

The Quran tells you to follow the example Mohammad set, muslims say Mohammad is the perfect role model,Mohammad banged his prepubescent wife.

Muslims will claim Aisha reached puberty which is refuted by their own texts.

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Reply #18 - Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:05pm

Khomenei, and his buddies are shia. 90% of Muslims are follow the mainstream sunni branch of Islam and would consider Khomenei to be a sick joke.

Camel urine was prescribed for a specific illness. This should not really be surprising considering that scientists have discovered many therapeutic properties in various animal's urine. Perhaps it would surprise you to know that many modern pharmaceutical products are derived from animal urine.

The niqab or face covering was only ordered for the prophet's wives due to their high esteemed place. In the time of the prophet, niqab was considered optional but praiseworthy for women. Most of the Muslim women did not wear it. There are hadeeth mentioning that Muslim women did not wear face coverings in the time of the prophet.

As for dolls, there are hadeeth saying that Aisha had dolls when she was 17 or 18. Generally, statues, pictures, and 2D or 3D objects with faces are not permitted in Islam. The 'dolls' kept by Aisha were made from wool and did not have clearly defined faces, so the issue of permissibility is a bit of grey area in Islamic jurisprudence. Aisha having dolls should not be take as indicator of puberty being reached or not reached considering that she still had the dolls when she was about 18 years old.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48867 At my desk.	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #19 - Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24pm Quote: Generally, statues, pictures, and 2D or 3D objects with faces are not permitted in Islam. Why not? I thought it was just Muhammed you weren't supposed to draw a picture of.
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Reply #20 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 8:34am

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Why not?

I thought it was just Muhammed you weren't supposed to draw a picture of.

Definitely not allowed for any of the prophets, and probably not any one else either.

Reason being that when people make images and statues of people they revere, there is a good chance they will start worshiping them as idols - which is the greatest sin in islam. Thats why islamic art is strictly abstract.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48867 At my desk.	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #21 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:16am So how does that work with photos?
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Reply #22 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:28am

FD, whats forbidden is idol worship and/or holding mere mortals up as partners to God. Photos, portraits etc are not forbidden per se. However muslims are acutely aware of the danger of turning those into objects of worship. The prophets are understandably a prime candidate here - which is why I believe they have been singled out specifically.

Photos of your children on the wall, or sending photos of your holiday to friends and family is obviously fine.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48867 At my desk.	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #23 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:41am What if Osama is in the background going for a swim? Do you have to burn the photo?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #24 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:48am thanks FD. Nice trying to have a sensible discussion with you.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48867 At my desk.	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #25 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:52am Can you give an example of someone you revere?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #26 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 12:48pm um.. the prophet Muhammad maybe?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48867 At my desk.	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #27 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 1:41pm I mean someone who is not a religious leader.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #28 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 2:45pm I don't know - Gough Whitlam, Bob Brown... I certainly wouldn't hang their picture up on my wall at home. I cringe whenever I see places like Damascus with giant portraits of Bashar Al Assad looking sagely. Even for most non-muslims that would come across as a bit creepy I would imagine.
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Reply #29 - Aug 5^th, 2013 at 2:53pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2013 at 10:05pm:

Khomenei, and his buddies are shia. 90% of Muslims are follow the mainstream sunni branch of Islam and would consider Khomenei to be a sick joke.

Camel urine was prescribed for a specific illness. This should not really be surprising considering that scientists have discovered many therapeutic properties in various animal's urine. Perhaps it would surprise you to know that many modern pharmaceutical products are derived from animal urine.

The niqab or face covering was only ordered for the prophet's wives due to their high esteemed place. In the time of the prophet, niqab was considered optional but praiseworthy for women. Most of the Muslim women did not wear it. There are hadeeth mentioning that Muslim women did not wear face coverings in the time of the prophet.

As for dolls, there are hadeeth saying that Aisha had dolls when she was 17 or 18. Generally, statues, pictures, and 2D or 3D objects with faces are not permitted in Islam. The 'dolls' kept by Aisha were made from wool and did not have clearly defined faces, so the issue of permissibility is a bit of grey area in Islamic jurisprudence. Aisha having dolls should not be take as indicator of puberty being reached or not reached considering that she still had the dolls when she was about 18 years old.

The shia are muslims, if you claim the LRA and Khony represent christians then surely the Islamic republic of Iran represents Islam.
The shia have Political Islam ,ruled by the bearded mullah's, do the sunnis have Islamic rule or are they impotent compared to the shia on this issue?

Mo prescribed camel urine for sickness?, the medical profession would call that quackery.
Can you name 1 medicine that is derived from 100% urine?
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It was narrated from Annas that some people from Urainah came to the messenger of Allah but they were averse to the climate of al Madina He said-

"Why dont you go to a flock of camels of ours,and drink their milk and urine"
And they did that.
www.sunnah.com/urn/1275480

So what sickness did mo prescribe camel urine for?

We could search the hadeeth for verses on camel urine, there are more than 1-
www.sunnah.com/search/camel-urine

We could listen to Sheikh Munajid who says drinking camel urine can cure cancer and even baldness-
www.islamqa.com/en/83423

I reckon these guys are taking the (camel) piss out of Islam-

Mohammad prescribed camel urine, a clear case of Mo preaching some quackery.

Why is a niqab praiseworthy, would it lead to a vitamin D deficiency which affects many Saudi women? (try google for saudi woman vitamin D)

Islamic ideology does not allow girls who have reached puberty to play with dolls, Aisha had her dolls with her when she went to the prophets house as a bride,Bukhari even says playing with dolls is haram for girls who have reached puberty
Is this the verse you are trying to misrepresent?
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Narrated Aisha-
When the messenger of Allah arrived after the expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar, the draught raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of a store room revealing some dolls which belonged to her.
Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags.
www.sunnah.com/search/dolls

There is a verse saying Aisha had dolls hidden in a store room, there are no verses that indicate Aisha played with dolls after reaching puberty.

Aisha had a horse doll with wings, is that where Mo got the Idea for a flying horse to visit a masjid that had not even been built?
The deeper you look the more absurd Islam gets-
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

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