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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #45 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:16am

FD asked;
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Are muslims for some reason particularly susceptible to worshiping pictures and statues?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

its a muslim gene FD

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

As a matter of fact I did watch it.

The last 30 minutes was considerably darker than the rest.

Yadda wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 8:59am:

the movie seemed to be a serious portrayal of a group of people who were [in their own minds] behaving 'seriously', if ludicrously

Well thats what makes it a spoof doesn't it?

The idea that the guy who was carrying explosives and tripped over a wall blowing himself up along with a sheep - would die as a martyr because he took out some "essential infrastructure" (sheep) - is precisely funny

because they [moslems] convinced themselves that was true

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Dark funny - but still funny.

ALSO, when moslems insist that;

'Mohammed was a prophet of Allah, and a virtuous man.'

This is proof, that that 'conviction' among moslems, is something peculiar to the moslem genome. Tongue

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All reasonable persons [upon scrutiny of ISLAMIC texts], recognise that the person referred to as 'Mohammed' was nothing more than a charismatic, ruthless, carnal, narcissistic warlord.

An extra-ordinary person, yes.

But not a person who could be regarded [by any rational person], as a virtuous man.

Can the stuff that makes us, define us?
Yadda wrote on Jan 16^th, 2013 at 1:03am:

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DNA is influneced by Words and Frequencies

By Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf

DNA Can Be Influenced And Reprogrammed By Words And Frequencies Russian DNA Discoveries

The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters), the mind’s influence on weather patterns and much more.

In addition, there is evidence for a whole new type of medicine in which DNA can be influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies WITHOUT cutting out and replacing single genes.

Only 10% of our DNA is being used for building proteins. It is this subset of DNA that is of interest to western researchers and is being examined and categorized. The other 90% are considered "junk DNA. The Russian researchers, however, convinced that nature was not dumb, joined linguists and geneticists in a venture to explore those 90% of "junk DNA". Their results, findings and conclusions are simply revolutionary!

Truth is stranger than we could imagine.

We humans imagine that we are intelligent [and that we are highly accomplished creatures], but the truth is that we [human beings] know almost nothing about our own circumstances, in this 'reality'.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #46 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 8:13am:

True Colours wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 11:10pm:

What you have presented is merely the opinion of Asqalani. It is not a hadeeth, and does not come from Bukhari.

Word.

And whats this guy smoking? Dolls forbidden?? Rubbish. Islamic scholars are unanimous that dolls are perfectly fine for children.

Yes dolls are fine for children,Aisha was a child playing with dolls when Mo broke her in.

Girls who have reached puberty are not allowed to play with dolls is this in dispute?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #47 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:05pm

I wonder if the Geckos broke a treaty with muslims.
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Allah's apostle commanded the killing of geckos, he called them noxious little creatures.
www.sunnah.com/urn/255620

Mohammad condoned child abuse, he even commanded it-
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The messenger of allah said-
Command your children to pray when they become 7 years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become 10 years old.

www.sunnah.com/abudawud/2/105

Mo didnt like dogs-
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Allah's messenger ordered that dogs should be killed.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/59/129

Mo on Jews and christians-
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Allah's messenger said-
Do not greet the jews and christian before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
www.sunnah.com/urn/253890

Allah allows muslims to steal from non muslims as long as he gets a 20% cut,
www.quran.com/8/41
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The prophet cut off the hand of a thief for stealing a shield worth 3 dirhams.
sunnah.com/bukhari/86/26

Mohammad ordered apostates to be killed, Islamic countries have the death penalty for apostasy yet muslims will spin that no compulsion in religion verse to deceive the gullible.
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The prophet said-

If somebody (a muslim) discards his religion, kill him.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/56/226

Is this how Mohammad found some brides,do muslims claim it is a love story?
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The messenger of allah made a raid upon the Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water.

He killed those who defended themselves from muslims and imprisoned others (women and children).
On that very day he captured Juwairiya bint al Harith.
www.sunnah.com/muslim/32/1

The Quran tells you to follow the example Mo set, Mo didnt set the bar very high for muslims.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #48 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:41pm muhammad was a coward and hypocrite, he did not believe what he preached to muslims, he merely used muslims for his own despicable ends
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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #49 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:30pm

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Reason being that when people make images and statues of people they revere, there is a good chance they will start worshiping them as idols

Gandalf, do you actually believe that there is a good chance they will start worshiping them as idols, or were you just informing us of the reasons that are given?

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #50 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:20pm

moses wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:41pm:

muhammad was a coward and hypocrite, he did not believe what he preached to muslims, he merely used muslims for his own despicable ends

moses,

I feel inspired

, to say;

Moslems are a cowards and hypocrites, moslems do not believe what ISLAM preaches [to moslems].

The tribe of 'moslems' merely use/exploit ISLAM [and its doctrines of aggression] for their own despicable ends.i

If moslems were NOT cowards and hypocrites, moslems would speak truthfully, and not behave like kuffar!!!

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0
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Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar, YOU are the unbeliever.

You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God.

You muslims insist that ONLY muslims are the 'properly guided'.

Is he who is on a path of lies and deception, 'properly guided'??

AN EXPLANATION OF THE WORD 'KUFFAR'...

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuffar

n.b.

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21692 A cat with a view	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #51 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:28pm AGAIN; "kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth." i All moslems , are despicable, lying, deceitful, kuffar!!! All of them, imo.iGoogle; taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit Google; Taqiyya and Kitman, islam
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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #52 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:12pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Ok so I googled it.

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...Taqiyya was developed to protect Shi'ites...In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.

The term taqiyya does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence. Who are these sunnis? Only 90% of Muslims.

Even the shia are only supposed to lie if they are threatened

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In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life

You must think that very deceptive Yadda. Your government wants to kill someone for their beliefs, so they change their belief. That would be very frustrating for someone like you. How dare they deny the government a chance to kill them.

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #53 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:25pm

Abu is a Sunni. He explained it like this:

War is deception. Basically, anything goes.

The west has been at war with the Muslim world for over a century.

It's a bit like what Gandalf and TC have been explaining with Muhammed's career as a highway robber. They were at war, apparently. And sure enough, the people they were robbing eventually attacked them. It only took a few years, which proves they were "hell bent" on wiping them all out.

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #54 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:46pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Ok so I googled it.

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...Taqiyya was developed to protect Shi'ites...In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.

The term taqiyya does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence. Who are these sunnis? Only 90% of Muslims.

Even the shia are only supposed to lie if they are threatened

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In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life

You must think that very deceptive Yadda. Your government wants to kill someone for their beliefs, so they change their belief. That would be very frustrating for someone like you. How dare they deny the government a chance to kill them.

Yadda paraphrases TC's post;

True_Colours says, Sunni moslems don't 'taqiyya'.

Yadda says, TC's post is more moslem taqiyya.

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #55 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:08pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Even the shia are only supposed to lie if they are threatened

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In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life

You must think that very deceptive Yadda. Your government wants to kill someone for their beliefs, so they change their belief. That would be very frustrating for someone like you. How dare they deny the government a chance to kill them.

Contrast the above statements by True_Colours, about why moslems use taqiyya, with;

"The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal."

Morsi - Recently elected ISLAMIST PRESIDENT of Egypt.

Please watch this YT...

Mohamed Morsi-The Koran is our constitution -The Prophet Muhammad is our leader Jihad is our path

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

The fundamental and primary moslem mantra declared by moslems is that they, moslems, want to die, for Allah, and for ISLAM.

But TC tells us that, moslems need taqiyya, to protect themselves from persecution, persecution because they are moslems

CONCLUSION;
Something about the differing things which moslems tell us [about moslems], doesn't quite ring true.

Duh!

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #56 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:32am

Yadda wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:08pm:

But TC tells us that, moslems need taqiyya, to protect themselves from persecution, persecution because they are moslems

Isaid no such thing.

Seems that it is the Islam-bashers who are practicing taqiyya with all these lies.

Taqiyya is not an Islamic practice. It was invented by the apostate ayaollahs of the shia sect.

90% of Muslims are orthodox mainstream sunni, and have nothing to with Taqiyya.

In fact Sunni Muslims follow hadeeth, the most authenic book of which is Bukhari:

Narrated 'Ali: The Prophet said, "Do not tell a lie against me for whoever tells a lie against me then he will surely enter the Hell-fire."
- Bukhari

A sunni Muslim is forbidden to lie aout Islam.

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #57 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:54am

True Colours wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:32am:

A sunni Muslim is forbidden to lie aout Islam.

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Yadda paraphrases TC's post;

True_Colours says, Sunni moslems don't 'taqiyya'.

Yadda says, TC's post is more moslem taqiyya.

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True_Colours,

yadda said;
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.......when their deceit is exposed, moslems will barefacedly deny the evidence of their deceit.

e.g.

THE LYING, DECEITFUL, 'MAINSTREAM' SUNNI MOSLEM COMMUNITY IN THE UK

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are using sophistry and blatant unashamed deceit to deceive local non-moslem host communities, about the nature of ISLAM/moslems....

EXAMPLE #1,

The Muslim Council of Britain [which represents all British 'mainstream' moslems] declares on its website that the moslem community, condemns extremism and violence....

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

YET, FROM ISLAM'S PRIMARY THEOLOGICAL TEXT.....

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111iEXAMPLE #2,

Speaking in the UK, publicly, AND THEN PRIVATELY, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

Quote:

"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.

Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

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This moslem declared to the broader community that moslems condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.
BUT LATER IT WAS REVEALED, that that moslem omitted to declare that moslems in the UK, DO NOT regard the members of the broader UK community as innocent civilians.

EXAMPLE #3,

a deceit, that is endorsed by 'mainstream' ISLAM, as per revealed by this moslem scholar......

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

n.b.

Moslems are permitted to declare to non-moslems, that moslems/ISLAM intends to always have a peaceful relationship with non-moslem host communities [e.g. 'Muslims should preach peace'
] - when all of the time, ALL moslems KNOW that what they are declaring, IS A LIE.

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CONCLUSIONS ???

ALL MOSLEMS LIE, almost all of the time,

whenever moslems are communicating with un-informed and ignorant NON-moslems - about the nature of ISLAM.

AGAIN, JUST FOR CLARITY;
ALL MOSLEMS LIE, almost all of the time.

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;

Taqiyya and Kitman, islam

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #58 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 8:58am

AGAIN, JUST FOR CLARITY;
ALL MOSLEMS LIE, almost all of the time.

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;

Taqiyya and Kitman, islam

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There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

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Additional Notes:
Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:

Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.

Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #59 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:24am There is no taqiyya in mainstream Islam. Taqiya is an invention of crazy shi-ite ayatollahs in Iran.
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