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Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Jul 29th, 2013 at 9:40pm
 
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All muslims hold their prophet Mohammad in the greatest regard, and consider his example as the greatest example to follow.
Link-www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1369558442/19#19


The Quran tells you to follow the example Mohammad set in many verses like this-
www.quran.com/33/21

Can the muslims in this forum clarify whether Mo is a good example for 7th century arabia or an example to follow for all times?
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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #1 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 9:43am
 
He is a man for all time.

cue the trolling about pedophilia or 20% war booty or something.
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Reply #2 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 1:47pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 9:43am:
He is a man for all time.

cue the trolling about pedophilia or 20% war booty or something.


If he is an example for all time then muslims will have no problems with pedophilia in 2013 and beyond.

He married his first wife Khadija when he was 25 and she was in her 40's, Khadija lived to 65, so much for the myth people married young because they died young in those days.

Was this a result of Mo becoming a self proclaimed prophet from God?
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Narrated Aisha, Mohammad's child bride and his favourite wife-

The Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old,and then she remained with him for nine years until his death.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/67/69


Lots of child brides in the Islamic world, did Nujood Ali become famous for getting divorced at age 10?
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nujood_Ali

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Reply #3 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 2:04pm
 
As I've said many other times, if the prophet was a pedophile, he would have jumped into bed with his 6 year old bride as soon as they were betrothed - as well as had a long list of other pre-pubescent brides that he regularly raped.

Instead, he waited 3 years before consumating the marriage - waited for what? Puberty perhaps? And yes, puberty can happen at 9 - but more likely, aisha's figures are off, and she was actually much older.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 1:47pm:
He married his first wife Khadija when he was 25 and she was in her 40's, Khadija lived to 65, so much for the myth people married young because they died young in those days.


The Prophet broke many moulds - including marrying an older woman, and particularly, remaining happilly married in a monogamous relationship for 25 years.

Other moulds that he broke was treating his wives with respect and dignity, and most shockingly of all, using them as key advisers in military matters, and highly esteemed community leaders (over both men and women) in their own right.

The Prophet had many brides towards the end of his life, all of which were arranged in the interests of alliances and political stability. There is no shred of evidence that he was some kind of a sexual predator who raped/abused his wives.

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Reply #4 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 6:52pm
 
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And yes, puberty can happen at 9 - but more likely, aisha's figures are off, and she was actually much older.


She wasn't Jewish by any chance was she? That would explain her scheming. Either that or she forgot how old she is - not uncommon for Muslims apparently.
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Reply #5 - Jul 30th, 2013 at 9:36pm
 
Throughout most of history women were married as soon as they reached puberty.


So does this mean that most of men that ever lived were pedophiles?


The modern western standard of 18 is arbitrary and not based on science.


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Biologically, an adult is a human being or other organism that is of reproductive age (sexual maturity)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult
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Throughout most of history women were married as soon as they reached puberty.


So this is another example of Mo setting the bar even lower?
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Reply #7 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 7:42pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 2:04pm:
As I've said many other times, if the prophet was a pedophile, he would have jumped into bed with his 6 year old bride as soon as they were betrothed - as well as had a long list of other pre-pubescent brides that he regularly raped.

Instead, he waited 3 years before consumating the marriage - waited for what? Puberty perhaps? And yes, puberty can happen at 9 - but more likely, aisha's figures are off, and she was actually much older.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 1:47pm:
He married his first wife Khadija when he was 25 and she was in her 40's, Khadija lived to 65, so much for the myth people married young because they died young in those days.


The Prophet broke many moulds - including marrying an older woman, and particularly, remaining happilly married in a monogamous relationship for 25 years.

Other moulds that he broke was treating his wives with respect and dignity, and most shockingly of all, using them as key advisers in military matters, and highly esteemed community leaders (over both men and women) in their own right.

The Prophet had many brides towards the end of his life, all of which were arranged in the interests of alliances and political stability. There is no shred of evidence that he was some kind of a sexual predator who raped/abused his wives.



The shia claim Mohammad was "thighing" Aisha before he consummated the marriage.The ayatollah Khomeni said thighing(its like a tit bugger yet 6-9 year old children dont have breasts so the penis is rubbed between the thighs) young children is ok becuse Mohammad did it.
I accept there are serious doctrinal differences between the shia and sunni over whose hadith is reliable yet Khomeni wrote a book saying it was ok and he was the Supreme Leader of the Islamic republic of Iran.

Did Mo have a wet dream or was it a revelation from Allah that he would marry the child of his neighbor Abu Bakr?

When muslims realise how repugnant pedophilia is today then out come the she was older excuses which contradict the saheeh hadeeth of Bukhari and Muslim which said she was 9 when that dirty old man porked her.
The Islamic texts say she was 9, do you expect us to believe muslim spin or what is actually written?

Mohammad  had sex with his 9 year old wife, the Quran tells you to follow the example Mo set.

Khadija was a businesswoman,today she would be called a filthy rich cougar for having a white fat dwarf who was much younger for a husband.
Khadija would have kicked Mo's ass to the kerb if he thought he could take another wife while he was with her, she was a rich woman and he had nothing.

Muslims are only allowed to have 4 wives, why was Mo allowed to have twice as many wives as the rest of the muslims, is it good to be a self proclaimed profit?

When Mohammad got busted having sex with his coptic christian sex slave called Maria he promised his wife he would not have sex with his slave girl ever again, when he was busted shortly afterwards having sex with his slave girl again and accused of lying Allah was there in the nick of time with a verse to get him out of trouble with his wives
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Allah speaking (why does allah have the mentality of a tribal warlord from the Arabian desert?)

O Prophet, why do you prohibit (yourself from) what allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives?And Allah is forgiving and merciful.

www.quran.com/66/1

That Quran verse is Allah telling Mo it is halal to have sex with your female slaves.

Mohammad had a coptic christian sex slave who gave him his only son Ibrahim who died before 2 years of age.
The Quran tells you to follow the example Mohammad set which means owning christian slaves and having sex with them is halal.
Does the Universal declaration of human rights outlaw slavery?
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Reply #8 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 7:52pm
 
Muhammed had no surviving sons?
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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 8:33pm
 
Throughout most of history women were married when they reached puberty. Were most of the men who ever lived pedophiles?

Just because some government says that people can't be married before 18 does that make it right?


The prophet did not live with Aisha until she reached puberty.


This was nothing unusual. Women all over the world would marry and live with their husbands when they reached puberty until very recently.


And those who think that puberty starts at 18 are wrong.


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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2013 at 9:22pm
 
Do you see the word "shocked" there TC? What does it mean to you? That it is normal? They are hardly going to confuse whoever the father is with God's messenger on earth are they?
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Reply #11 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:34am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 9:22pm:
Do you see the word "shocked" there TC? What does it mean to you? That it is normal? They are hardly going to confuse whoever the father is with God's messenger on earth are they?


If you would like to look at it in a scientific rational manner then you will find that girls reaching puberty at 9 is considered within the normal range.
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Reply #12 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:04am
 
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here TC. You have made several similar claims and I have asked you to elaborate. Spell it out for us.
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Reply #13 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 10:18am
 
Baron, Khomenei's "thighing" claim seems to be a fake.
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Reply #14 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:29pm
 
King Richard II, a devout Christian, married Isabella of Valois when she was six.
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