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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #60 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:45am

True Colours wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

There is no taqiyya in mainstream Islam.

AGAIN;

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Yadda paraphrases TC's post;

True_Colours says, Sunni moslems don't 'taqiyya'.

Yadda says, TC's post is more moslem taqiyya.

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Taqiyya and Kitman, islam

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There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

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Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:

Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.

Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21698 A cat with a view	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #61 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:51am p.s. True Colours, Your own behaviour defines you as a Kafir, too!!! You are a Kafir.
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Reply #62 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:57am

True Colours,

It is the hot place for you!

You have been fooled, by SATAN.

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
Koran 4.120

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily [God] knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #63 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:05am

AGAIN;

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

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All moslems

, are despicable, lying, deceitful, kuffar!!!

All of them, imo.iGoogle;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

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Taqiyya and Kitman, islam

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BUT moslems refuse to acknowledge these evidences against them, and against ISLAM.

And that [refusal to acknowledge truth], is what confirms that ALL moslems are Kuffar !!!

EVERY MOSLEM is, "...a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

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Postmodern Trendoid Gold Member Offline International socialist Posts: 892 Gender:	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #64 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:00pm I am having a hard time thinking who is more important, Muslims or boat people. These are the tough decisions progressives have to make.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48867 At my desk.	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #65 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:27pm Quote: Taqiyya is not an Islamic practice. It was invented by the apostate ayaollahs of the shia sect. Why did they need to lie? To avoid being slaughtered the Sunni way? Does Sunni Islam permit you to spread lies about the fundamental nature of Sunni Islam in the context of war?
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Torpedo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 867 Sydney Gender:	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #66 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:42pm Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:00pm: I am having a hard time thinking who is more important, Muslims or boat people. These are the tough decisions progressives have to make. Is there any difference?
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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims Reply #67 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:58pm freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:27pm: Does Sunni Islam permit you to spread lies about the fundamental nature of Sunni Islam in the context of war? Mainstream Islam does not allow lying about Islam. It would be a major sin to lie about Islam.
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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #68 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 4:53pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

True Colours,

It is the hot place for you!

You have been fooled, by SATAN.

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
Koran 4.120

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily [God] knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27

Actually it refers to people like you.

Satan makes you believe in a bible full of mistakes, contradictions, lies and fabrications.

Then when people like you are burning in hell, satan will come to you and say, "I didn't not force you to follow me, you followed your own desires".

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #69 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:46pm

Torpedo wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

I am having a hard time thinking who is more important, Muslims or boat people. These are the tough decisions progressives have to make.

Is there any difference?

Good point. This makes it easier for a progressive like me to make a decision. If they are both boat people and Muslim then they couldn't possibly be bad people. Maybe I could elevate Muslim boat people above non-Muslims boat people. This definitely coincides with my ideology.

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Only the boat people can save us from our own evil.

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Reply #70 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:56pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Torpedo wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

I am having a hard time thinking who is more important, Muslims or boat people. These are the tough decisions progressives have to make.

Is there any difference?

Good point. This makes it easier for a progressive like me to make a decision. If they are both boat people and Muslim then they couldn't possibly be bad people. Maybe I could elevate Muslim boat people above non-Muslims boat people. This definitely coincides with my ideology.

What if they come as Muslim boat people but then apostatise outa Islam once they are in.
Is that queue jumping? Or if they come as non-Muslim boat people and convert to Islam while in detention. Is that credible or is that queue jumping?

It seems that we can't believe them when they say they are Muslims or when they say they are not Muslims. You'll end up being wracists and phobic whatever way you look at it. A very unique demographic, that.

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #71 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 7:39pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Does Sunni Islam permit you to spread lies about the fundamental nature of Sunni Islam in the context of war?

Mainstream Islam does not allow lying about Islam.

It would be a major sin to lie about Islam.

Even in the context of war?

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #72 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:29pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Does Sunni Islam permit you to spread lies about the fundamental nature of Sunni Islam in the context of war?

Mainstream Islam does not allow lying about Islam.

It would be a major sin to lie about Islam.

So what is Dar al Harb , is that lands where muslim law in not in force or lands of war?
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The profit said ( allah demands 20% of all war booty)-

War is deceit.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/56/237

Mohammad was a bullshit artist who told whopping great lies.

This muslim is evidence that muslims lie about Islam to sell it to the gullible, he confirms the death penalty for apostasy at the end.

When the topic is Islam i suggest people turn their bullshit detectors on , muslims speak fluent bullshit

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #73 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:58pm

shockresist wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Satan makes you believe in a bible full of mistakes, contradictions, lies and fabrications.

Then when people like you are burning in hell,

Do you realise there are a large number of people in Australia who have No Religion?
Those with no religion are growing in numbers much faster than any religion, what relevance does the buy-bull have to those with no religion?
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Australia

The Quran is full of contradictions,lies,ignorance,superstition and fabrications, it is a book of fairy tales (jinns...lmao at stupid muslims. Grin

) that does not contain any useful information.
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Then do they not reflect upon the Quran,If it had been from any other than allah,they would have found within much contradiction.
www.quran.com/4/82

The fine print says the Quran is not from allah yet muslims are too stupid to realise this.

As for your holy books they say satan urinates in the ears of those who miss morning prayers.
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A person was mentioned before the profit (pbuh) and he was told that he kept sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer.
The Prophet said,Satan urinated in his ears.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/19/25

If you dont worship Mohammad's allah you will burn in the hellfire, muslims fear the hellfire because they are stupid and believe in fairy tales, if they do worship allah and follow Mo's example (quran 33;21) then they get a Islamic afterlife with rivers of wine and a whole heap of houris to have sex with which would be like owning a whorehouse combined with a pub.
If wine is allowed in the Islamic afterlife then maybe ass to mouth is ok too,is there a verse saying these houris will have poo that does not stink?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: Mohammad -the role model for muslims
Reply #74 - Aug 8^th, 2013 at 8:51am

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Torpedo wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

I am having a hard time thinking who is more important, Muslims or boat people. These are the tough decisions progressives have to make.

Is there any difference?

Good point. This makes it easier for a progressive like me to make a decision. If they are both boat people and Muslim

then they couldn't possibly be bad people

.

Maybe I could elevate Muslim boat people above non-Muslims boat people.

This definitely coincides with my ideology.

Nice_One_Macca,

You are a moslem.

Who is a moslem ?

A person who has a moslem heart, is a moslem.

And all moslems are Kuffar.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375098020/51#51

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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