Newsflash Baron - 6th century BC Persia != 7th century Arabia.

The Persians reintroduced slavery under the Sassinids - who ruled right up until the muslims conquered Persia.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


Perfectly - kinda like Robin Hood.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


Really? Please do elaborate Baron.

hate to break it to you FD, but Robin Hood probably didn't exist. So he may as well have done all those things and more - depending on who's telling the story.

The point though is that not too many people would have many moral qualms about a leader resorting to robbing the caravans of the much larger and powerful oppressor state who is hell bent on his people's complete destruction. Even a leader who is hailed as a prophet and example for all mankind. Only spoil-sport islamophobes would find something morally objectionable to this sort of practice - those who desperately clutch at straws to find something - anything - to put The Prophet and the early muslims in a bad light.

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:


It took less than a year.freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:


I was actually referring specifically to the raids. You lot regularly point only to the raids as enough proof of his evilness without feeling the need to bring in any of those other smears. You started a whole thread on them.

It is simply futile FD, to try to reason with a moslem [any moslem] as though he was a rational person, open to reason.




Moslems will never acknowledge their own error.

Denial.

Dishonesty.

Denial.

Dishonesty.

Denial.

Dishonesty.

We [the non-moslem] will just have to wait until the moslem community rise up against us, and we will then defend ourselves.

Conflict.

Where reason fails, action must emerge.

That is not in any sense, 'incitement'.

It is a prediction of how many, many non-moslems will finally respond, to
moslem dishonestly,
moslem cultural intimidation
and moslem cultural aggression.


The cultural aggression that is freely alluded to, in the many mantras of moslem community;

e.g.
Quote:




Moslems themselves declare, that [all real] moslems want to die as martyrs for Allah's cause.





Human civility is skin deep gandalf.

And ISLAM/moslems are a force in this world, that has been working very hard to destroy that skin deep human civility.

Why so ?

With their intimidation and violence, moslems understand too well, how to create confusion and chaos in the world of man.

But do you moslems really comprehend the consequences of pursuing your moslem/ISLAMIC 'desires', gandalf ?i
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2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.


Isaiah 57:17
For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.
18  I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.
19  I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.
20  But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21  There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.


One will be healed.

One will be destroyed.

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:


Yet you have proven nothing because all the wars that the prophet fought were either defensive, and the prophet never stole anything.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


Garbage.

At the time ordinary women had no rights; no right to own property, run businesses, inherit, or choose a husband. Islam made all these rights law. 




Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Not correct. While the Muslims felt that they were entitled to compensation for what the pagans had stolen them, the fact is that seizing assets of enemies is normal practice in times of war. The pagans of Mecca declared war on Madina, then foolishly marched their caravans through Madinese territory.



Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:

The Geneva Conventions were made to protect the European aristocracy in case they were captured in war. It is about the rich protecting the rich.

Islam is revealed by God - not by rich nobility.



The Geneva Conventions are not even adhered to by Christians anyway. Just look at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Bagram, the My Lai massacre, napalming of Vietnam, bombing of Hanoi, firebombing of Dresden and Japan, the treatment of Jews by the Nazis, or the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


Oh really? Is that why Christians still like to invoke the Crusades to justify their genocidal adventures?

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:



He did not slaughter people for refusing to follow him.

Neither did Prophet Muhammed.




freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 4:02pm:



But many Brits do accept the truth that Muhammed is the last and final prophet of God:




Quote:

Islam Growing at Astronomical Rate in UK