freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 8:20pm:


Mohamed reign was 23 years.

First 10 years there was no Jihad obligations and muslims were systematically tortured, murdered, stoned, attacked by the jews, Christians and polytheists.

Mohamed had had enough and decided to fight back.Dont blame him.

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:34pm:


3 followers?Please.

Your good at doing research, why don't you research it your self.

I did post one story on here on how prophet Mohamed was stoned, spat on and dogs set upon him.

Can you maybe ask why these atrocities occurred according to the bible?

Exodus-With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.

numbers-32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.

Deuteronomy-In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."

Joshua-With the Lord's approval, Joshua destroys the city of Jericho men, women, and children with the edge of the sword.

shockresist wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:15pm:


shockresist agrees with freediver on the facts
given mohammads law of abrogation, it is right for all muslims to rape, plunder and murder.

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:55pm:


Since when are criminal traitors who aid the enemy POWs? If a bikie gang attacks police, will you call them POWs?



freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:55pm:



It only harms your own credibility when you fabricate such lies .
Your allegations are completely false and unjustified.


Far from a warmonger, the prophet looked for any opportunity to make peace. Even when the enemy insisted on hostilities, the prophet usually demonstrated great mercy and forbearance to conquered people.


A great example is the conquest of Mecca. The pagans of Mecca had persecuted, tortured, raped and killed Muslims for years culminating in the seizing of property, and social boycott of Muslims which led to the ghettoisation and 3 years of starvation and isolation on the outskirts of Mecca.  When the Muslims found a safe-haven in Madina in 622, the Meccan pagans delivered death threats, and tried to invade three times encouraging other peoples in the region to also attack the Muslims.

Afterall this, prophet Muhammed forgave the people of Mecca when he finally defeated them in 630, and did not punish them or seek retaliation. The Meccans remained free, and their properties were not seized.



When there was no choice but war, the prophet stipulated strict condition upon how war could be fought. The prophet forbade the killing of women, children and the elderly. The prophet forbid the poisoning of wells, and even the cutting down of enemy trees. It had been the custom of pagan Arabs to rape the female survivors of their enemies, and this practice was also forbidden by the prophet.


The prophet showed great mercy even to some of his greatest enemies. When the Muslims defeated a pagan Meccan invasion at the Battle of Badr in 624, the Muslims captured enemy prisoners. None were kept as slaves, the rich were ransomed, the educated were freed on condition of teaching 10 children to read, and after that the prophet decided to free even the poor prisoners who had nothing to offer.


People who did not attack Muslims were never made prisoners. Often, even those who did attack to Muslims were pardoned and freed. Only those who had caused greatest harm to Muslims or who had acted treacherously were imprisoned.

shockresist wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 5:11am:



even in wartime, for the troops of those nations who entered/invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

By the non-moslem laws of those non-moslem nations, those that commit such crimes, are criminals.







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The exhortations to moslems in ISLAMIC texts, to fight in 'the Cause of Allah' are prolific....

Here is a small sample;

"Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger! Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the Cause of Allah, He will not pardon. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace. You have the upper hand.
Koran 47.33-35


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

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"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

To yadda and free diver.

What's jihad or previous military battles have any relevance with Australian Muslims.

There is no war here,those fighting verses have no relevance to Muslims here.

Me killing a non Muslim in Australia is not jihad and I don't support anybody killing anybody in Australia.

shockresist wrote on Aug 1^st, 2013 at 5:11am:


Are you saying that you agree shocky?

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Since they are POWs. You can't just alter the definition of POW so that you can execute 700 POWs and pretend you are doing nothing wrong. Muslims take the whole willful self delusion thing to absurd levels.

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No they are not. Here they are again for you: Muhammed spent his last decade on earth raping, killing and pillaging his way across the Arabian Peninsula.

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He made peace when it suited him. He slaughtered when it suited him. Either way, he took over the entire Arabian penisula in a relatively short period of time, slaughtering anyone who stood in his path. The fact that some tribes preferred not to meet the worst fate does not mean Muhammed loved peace, it just means his ruthlessness was well know and feared.

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Like when he slaughtered 700 POWs?

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Here we go again. Are you referring to the incident when they spat on Muhammed? Or when they mocked him? Do you ever feel shame at making these claims over and over again and being unable to back them up when asked for evidence?

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Hmm lets see... The Meccans boycotted Muslims. The Muslims slaughtered everyone in their path. Must be the Meccans fault eh?

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Yes about those invasions. Gandalf mentioned one earlier. It turned out they were escorting a caravan which Muhammed then robbed. Not exactly an invasion is it, if you are being honest about it?

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So they were the lucky ones? What does this prove? It only shows that Muhammed knew better than to try to kill everyone at once.

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Another lie. When Muhammed executed 700 POWs, he took one of their wives as a sex slave. The only thing Muhammed actually forbade was raping them right there on the battlefield. Instead you had to take them home and rape them over and over again for the rest of their lives. isn't that right?

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Sometimes. Sometimes he slaughtered every single one. Nice eh?

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They were executed? The 700 POWs he executed never actually attacked him. Muhammed attacked them. They defended themselves. Or does trying to defend yourself against Muslim hordes count as attacking?

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You tell me shocky. Do you think Muhammed's is an eternal example for Muslims to follow?

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More transparent Muslim deflections.

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Can you explain how it is any different to you slaughtering 700 Australians because they spat on you and conspired against you? After all, by your own admission Muhammed slaughtered 700 Arabs because they spat on him and conspired against him. He also spent most of his reign raping and pillaging, in between complaining that everyone was out to get him and how unfair it all is. The only difference is that you cannot get away with it. That's all there is. There is no Islamic law against following Muhammed's lead and going on the rampage.