Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 4
Send Topic Print
Compassionate Australia (Read 2911 times)
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Compassionate Australia
Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:00am
 
'Caring' Greens unveil asylum policy to increase nation's refugee intake


The Greens would strip away all deterrents from refugee policy and aim to stop deaths at sea by dramatically increasing Australia's refugee intake and boosting the capacity of the United Nations refugee agency to process claims in Indonesia.

The pre-election policy to be released on Wednesday would also shut down detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island, give work rights to those in the community and lift the ban on people in refugee-producing countries coming directly by air to seek asylum.

It would also appoint an Australian ambassador for refugee protection to help broker a regional co-operation response modelled on the approach of Malcolm Fraser with Vietnamese asylum seekers in the 1970s.

The Coalition has announced a plan to massively expand the tent accommodation on Nauru.
The Greens will strive for a more humane approach. Photo: Angela Wylie
The policy has been criticised by the government, and the Coalition's immigration spokesman Scott Morrison who says it ''won't stop the boats''. Meanwhile, bad weather had delayed the transfer of the first asylum seekers to Manus Island under the Rudd Government's agreement with Papua New Guinea.

Advertisement
Buoyed by polling showing only one in three voters trusts the major parties to ''handle refugees with care'', the Greens will market themselves as the only party offering ''compassion, legality and the only model for saving refugee lives at sea that has ever really worked''.

''If you want to stop the people-smuggling business, you have to undercut it, and that means providing a viable option that does not force refugees into the hands of people smugglers in the first place,'' says the party's spokeswoman on asylum, Senator Sarah Hanson-Young.

Greens leader Christine Milne will propose a doubling of funding to the United Nations refugee agency to speed up assessment and resettlement of asylum seekers in Indonesia and Malaysia, and a 10,000 increase in Australia's refugee intake. One in three places in the 30,000 program would be set aside for refugees assessed by the UN agency in the region, including at least 3800 in Indonesia.

Senator Milne said the Parliamentary Budget Office has costed an increase in the humanitarian program to 30,000 at $2.5 billion over four years, a fraction of the amount spent on offshore processing.

A Galaxy poll commissioned by the Greens found that almost 50 per cent of voters did not trust either Labor or the Liberals ''to put caring for refugees before political interest''. The same proportion did not trust either of the major parties to ''handle refugees with care''.

''Both parties are moving so far to the right, it's difficult to imagine the next level of cruelty they could possibly engage in,'' Senator Milne told Fairfax Media. ''They are bringing shame on Australia in a national and global sense.''

Spending an extra $70 million a year to boost the UNHCR's capacity in the region was in line with recommendations of the Gillard government's expert panel and would ''take pressure off people feeling like they have no other option than to be on boats''.

The policy commits the Greens to restore Australia's migration zone ''to match our land and sea territory''; to guarantee legal review and community detention options for refugees who receive adverse ASIO security assessments; and to replace the immigration minister with an independent guardian for unaccompanied children seeking asylum.

Labor, Coalition critical

Immigration Minister Tony Burke told Fairfax Media the Greens answer to the boat arrivals and deaths at sea would not work.

''I dearly wish it was that simple, but the truth is with millions of asylum seekers around the world, a change in Australia's humanitarian intake of 10,000 is hardly going to stop the loss of life at sea,'' he said.

''If you're serious about the role of the United Nations, then I think you have to believe that our humanitarian quota should be filled in consultation with the UN, not selected by people smugglers.''

Mr Morrison also said he did not agree with the Greens plan, telling ABC radio that with so many refugees worldwide, increasing the intake would not make a difference.

''We don't agree that increasing the intake at the end of the day when you've got less than one per cent of the world's refugees actually getting resettlement . . .  moving that dial by 4 or 5,000 either way is going to make any real difference,'' he said.

The Coalition's policy is to reduce the current humanitarian intake from 20,000 people a year to 13,750 a year, including 11,000 reserved for offshore applicants.

''Not one of those visas will be given to someone who has arrived illegally by boat,'' he told ABC Radio. 

Mr Morrison said the risk of the Greens policy is ''you don't want to create Indonesia as a magnate for people to move into either''.

He said the Coalition's ''Operation Sovereign Borders'' was designed to stop people coming to the region.

Earlier on Wednesday, Senator Milne criticised the major parties for their asylum seeker policies, saying it was not a military or border security issue but a humanitarian one.

She also said that deterrence did not work when it came to dealing with asylum seeker flows. ''We've seen an absolutely horrible and farcical raising of the stakes,'' she told ABC Radio.

PNG solution

Under the government's policy, all boat arrivals will be sent to Manus Island for process
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:01am
 
processing and eventual settlement in Papua New Guinea if they are found to be refugees.

The first asylum seekers bound for Manus Island had been scheduled to leave Australia on Tuesday evening, arriving some time on Wednesday morning, but a spokesman for the Department of Immigration on Wednesday confirmed the transfer had been delayed due to poor weather.

Arrangements were being made for the group to be sent to PNG as soon as possible.

They will be the first arrivals since Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and his PNG counterpart, Peter O'Neill, agreed to expand asylum seeker processing two weeks ago.

The initial group is likely to consist of only men, with women and children to be moved at a later date.

The fourth and final flight carrying equipment destined for Manus arrived in PNG earlier this week, with work continuing to expand the facility.

Mr Burke said on Wednesday that it would take about a day for asylum seekers in Australia to be transferred to Manus Island. People will not be sent from Australia, however, until health checks are complete.

The minister said the facilities at Manus Island were not yet ready for family groups, as he wanted them separate from single adult males.

''At the moment, I'm only comfortable with single adult males going across,'' he told ABC radio. ''I want to get the standards to a point where more can go across and I don’t believe it will take a long time to do that.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/caring-greens-unvei...
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
red baron
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 10204
Blue Mountains
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #2 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:05am
 
Australians do not want this Country to turn into some kind of hybrid satellite of Islam.

This Country's character will be changed forever if we allow a wholesale importation of Muslims into Australia.

There is nothing new about my stand, European countries such as Germany are finding they have to take a stand on just such an issue.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14438
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:10am
 
Senator Milne said the Parliamentary Budget Office has costed an increase in the humanitarian program to 30,000 at $2.5 billion over four years, a fraction of the amount spent on offshore processing.


The bit I like most is that the greens expect everyone to believe that by increasing oue intake by 7000 reffo alll of a sudden the flow of boaties will stop and the cost of off shore processing will just disappear.

Well christine moron, will we could take the extra 7000 and they will still keep coming and the number will still keep increasing and you have just cost us an extra $2.5 bil. Your cunning plan will do bugger all as per usual,


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #4 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:33am
 
The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering.

Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
True Blue...
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3748
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #5 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:40am
 
fair dinkum Greenie...

lets just open the gates and turn Australia into some Afghanistan clone..

and let Australians pay for the pleasure of getting our country ruined and our culture swamped..

open the gates... let in all of the terrorist... watch how these scumbags rape our women and children or even behead one of our soldiers...

WE'LL SAY WHO COMES TO OUR COUNTRY....

NOT A HANDFULL OF SMELLY HIPPY BUMS THAT DON'T PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH...
Back to top
 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy"

Benjamin Franklin
 
IP Logged
 
Kat
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Socialism IS the answer.

Posts: 17709
Everywhere and no-where
Gender: female
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #6 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:43am
 
That $2.5b would more than fund the $50/week No-Start increase.

I'd argue that's where it should be spent, not handed over to the UN.
Back to top
 

...
 
IP Logged
 
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #7 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:49am
 
True Blue... wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:40am:
fair dinkum Greenie...

lets just open the gates and turn Australia into some Afghanistan clone..

and let Australians pay for the pleasure of getting our country ruined and our culture swamped..

open the gates... let in all of the terrorist... watch how these scumbags rape our women and children or even behead one of our soldiers...

WE'LL SAY WHO COMES TO OUR COUNTRY....

NOT A HANDFULL OF SMELLY HIPPY BUMS THAT DON'T PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH...



92% of the processed refugees that have entered via boats are refugees. A higher rate than those that enter by plane. If you are worrying about terrorism, why do you support an open door via planes. The most likely path for a budding suicide bomber.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #8 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:52am
 
Kat wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:43am:
That $2.5b would more than fund the $50/week No-Start increase.

I'd argue that's where it should be spent, not handed over to the UN.



The Greens' $50 a week dole payment increase is already Greens' policy and also already funded.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
True Blue...
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 3748
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #9 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:58am
 
I Don't support ILLEGALS full stop...

if you believe in the Global warming fraud like you say you do then why are you wanting to open the gates of Australia and have billions of people living here like in India..

one of the biggest polluters in the world...

more people = more carbon .... you say you are against that but like all green hippies they don't practice what they preach..

where's your solar system.. ? you haven't got one

where's your water tank that catches rain water? you haven't got one...

bring in millions of people into Australia at the tax payers expense... but it'll increase Australia carbon foot print.. .now hang on... you want to reduce Australia footprint...

you are contradictory...

you probably drive a big fuel guzzling car too...

fair dinkum greenie...

the best way to be a green is to practise what you preach...

but oh no... you think bombarding this forum with your cut and paste dribble is your way of making a greener cleaner Australia..

Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy"

Benjamin Franklin
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14438
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #10 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:07am
 
____ wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:33am:
The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering.

Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down.



But it only caters for an extra 7000 reffos, what about the rest that are sitting inindon waiting for the next boat over. What is the ggreens policy for those that are left waiting to get on a boat to Australia?


Typical greens alll fluff no substance.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #11 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:11am
 
True Blue... wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:58am:
I Don't support ILLEGALS full stop...

if you believe in the Global warming fraud like you say you do then why are you wanting to open the gates of Australia and have billions of people living here like in India..

one of the biggest polluters in the world...

more people = more carbon .... you say you are against that but like all green hippies they don't practice what they preach..

where's your solar system.. ? you haven't got one

where's your water tank that catches rain water? you haven't got one...

bring in millions of people into Australia at the tax payers expense... but it'll increase Australia carbon foot print.. .now hang on... you want to reduce Australia footprint...

you are contradictory...

you probably drive a big fuel guzzling car too...

fair dinkum greenie...

the best way to be a green is to practise what you preach...

but oh no... you think bombarding this forum with your cut and paste dribble is your way of making a greener cleaner Australia..

Roll Eyes



- Refugees are not illegal

- Global Warming doesn't stop at our coastline. The best way to engage action on the planet's responses to all issues are to see ourselves as humans. Nationalism sees us a small and so is ineffective.

This is why I support a one world democratic government and the end to all boarders.

- As I have already stated, I rent so do not have solar panels or water tanks. Now hopefully this time it sinks in.


Now rather than deflect off the topic via an attack of the messenger ... grow a pair and discuss the topic, not me.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #12 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:15am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:07am:
____ wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:33am:
The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering.

Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down.



But it only caters for an extra 7000 reffos, what about the rest that are sitting inindon waiting for the next boat over. What is the ggreens policy for those that are left waiting to get on a boat to Australia?


Typical greens alll fluff no substance.





If they were all planning to come by boat, do you think they would already be here?

Come on bigol, use your brains we all know you have.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
salad in
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 5941
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #13 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:26am
 
Quote:
'Caring' Greens unveil asylum policy to increase nation's refugee intake


The Greens would strip away all deterrents from refugee policy and aim to stop deaths at sea by dramatically increasing Australia's refugee intake and boosting the capacity of the United Nations refugee agency to process claims in Indonesia.

The pre-election policy to be released on Wednesday would also shut down detention centres on Nauru and Manus Island, give work rights to those in the community and lift the ban on people in refugee-producing countries coming directly by air to seek asylum.

It would also appoint an Australian ambassador for refugee protection to help broker a regional co-operation response modelled on the approach of Malcolm Fraser with Vietnamese asylum seekers in the 1970s.

[...]


Any 'Green Compassion' for unfashionable Australians? Australians like the frail, aged, infirm, blind, mentally ill, youth in crisis, the suicidal, children waiting to die in the terminal wards of our children's hospitals, etc? Any sign of 'Green Compassion'?

Quote:
Royal Children's Hospital faces budget cuts as state and federal governments in bitter health fund feud

ROYAL Children's Hospital is the latest Victorian health service to warn of drastic cuts amid a bitter funding spat between state and federal governments.

Victorian Health Minister David Davis has accused the Commonwealth of using "dodgy" population statistics as the basis for cutting $107 million from the state's health budget this financial year.

But federal Health Minister Tanya Plibersek hit back yesterday, using a meeting with Victorian hospital chiefs to say it was the Baillieu Government that was putting patient care at risk by its own cuts to the health budget.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/royal-childrens-hospital-faces-budget-...
Back to top
 

The ALP, the progressive party, the party of ideas, the workers' friend, is the only Australian political party to roast four young Australians in roof cavities. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
 
IP Logged
 
BigOl64
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 14438
Townsville QLD
Gender: male
Re: Compassionate Australia
Reply #14 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:27am
 
____ wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:15am:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 8:07am:
____ wrote on Aug 1st, 2013 at 7:33am:
The policy isn't aimed at stopping the boats, its about offering the desperate refugees that get on boats a safer option to what the non-compassionate old parties are offering.

Unlike the old parties, Greens think voters are intelligent and so the debate doesn't have to be dumbed down.



But it only caters for an extra 7000 reffos, what about the rest that are sitting inindon waiting for the next boat over. What is the ggreens policy for those that are left waiting to get on a boat to Australia?


Typical greens alll fluff no substance.





If they were all planning to come by boat, do you think they would already be here?

Come on bigol, use your brains we all know you have.




I was not talking about all reffos just the 2000 per month coming by boat now. An in crease of 7000 per year will be consumed in less than 6 weeks what about all the others who are arriving?


The greens have a inadequate solution that deals with 7000 of the 20 000 to 30 000 people arriving by boat each year and the numbers are increasing. What is the greens solution for the the rest of them?


Talk about only doing (not even) half a job and claiming full price.  Grin


There is a very good reason 90% of Australia's voter reject the greens as nothing more than a loony left wing fringe party, it's because they are and grossly incompetent to boot.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 4
Send Topic Print