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Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:40am

Some here have asked questions about why Slipper has been charged and Abbott not. This article provides further details.

Also, note the cost associated with this prosecution which Abbott has managed to avoid, and that, concerning a much larger amount.

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PROSECUTING Sunshine Coast MP Peter Slipper for his alleged misuse of $964 in taxi vouchers could end up costing Australian taxpayers almost $70,000.

The revelation was contained in a written answer by Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions Robert Bromwich to a question in Senate estimates about the likely legal costs for the seven-day trial.

"The cost of any hearing is dependent on a number of variables including, in particular, the length of the hearing and the facts put in issue," his answer read.

"Assuming the matter proceeds to a full hearing of seven days ... and assuming the prosecution is put to strict proof at that hearing as to every fact, the defendant gives evidence and detailed closing submissions are made, it is anticipated that the prosecution's external legal and related costs for the preparation and conduct of the hearing would be approximately $69,000."

The prosecution has listed 38 witnesses - 31 civilian and seven Australian Federal Police officers - for the trial to be heard in the ACT Magistrates Court from December 2.

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True Blue... Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3748 Gender:	Re: Slipper/Abbott Reply #1 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:49am its time to get rid of cretins like slippery slipper out of politics forever.. the only way to do this is to push the charges through... the same as Craig Thompson and other Labor criminals....
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38875 Gender:	Re: Slipper/Abbott Reply #2 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:55am True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:49am: its time to get rid of cretins like slippery slipper out of politics forever.. the only way to do this is to push the charges through... the same as Craig Thompson and other Labor criminals.... Yeas, I can see your point. The same does not apply to Abbott??
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Reply #3 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:46am

Aussie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:55am:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:49am:

its time to get rid of cretins like slippery slipper out of politics forever.. the only way to do this is to push the charges through...

the same as Craig Thompson and other Labor criminals....

Yeas, I can see your point. The same does not apply to Abbott??

The same does not apply to Abbott??

Of course not - you missed the key part ..Labor criminals. It does not apply to Liberal criminals.

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Reply #4 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:51am

Aussie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:40am:

Some here have asked questions about why Slipper has been charged and Abbott not. This article provides further details.

Also, note the cost associated with this prosecution which Abbott has managed to avoid, and that, concerning a much larger amount.

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PROSECUTING Sunshine Coast MP Peter Slipper for his alleged misuse of $964 in taxi vouchers could end up costing Australian taxpayers almost $70,000.

The revelation was contained in a written answer by Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions Robert Bromwich to a question in Senate estimates about the likely legal costs for the seven-day trial.

"The cost of any hearing is dependent on a number of variables including, in particular, the length of the hearing and the facts put in issue," his answer read.

"Assuming the matter proceeds to a full hearing of seven days ... and assuming the prosecution is put to strict proof at that hearing as to every fact, the defendant gives evidence and detailed closing submissions are made, it is anticipated that the prosecution's external legal and related costs for the preparation and conduct of the hearing would be approximately $69,000."

The prosecution has listed 38 witnesses - 31 civilian and seven Australian Federal Police officers - for the trial to be heard in the ACT Magistrates Court from December 2.

it fails to mention this govt has agreed to pay all slippers court costs..

I remember Whitlam being sued and he was allowed legal aid..in other words.. his costs were picked up by you know who...

why do you act as if a Lib is the first and only one.?.

if you think ICAC NSW Inc.. isnt costing the tax payers...then do I feel sorry for you?..

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Reply #5 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:53am

This is probably the relevant part of that article but it leaves the important Question unanswered.

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But because the matter had been referred to the AFP by a third party and not the department, there was no chance to employ the Minchin protocol. It is still not known who referred the matter to the AFP.

Apparently if anyone were to point out Abbott's position directly to the AFP he would be in the same situation. any bets ?

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Reply #6 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:54am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:46am:

Aussie wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:55am:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:49am:

its time to get rid of cretins like slippery slipper out of politics forever.. the only way to do this is to push the charges through...

the same as Craig Thompson and other Labor criminals....

Yeas, I can see your point. The same does not apply to Abbott??

The same does not apply to Abbott??

Of course not - you missed the key part ..Labor criminals. It does not apply to Liberal criminals.

well in all fairness if you are accusing someone of a CRIME at least have the guts to spell it out..

what CRIME has Abbott been accused of????...

if you care to peruse ICAC NSW Inc.. you will see a nasty couple of LABOR CRIMS>..
smirking away..

I am almost sure you havent even given that a sideways glance as I have never seen you comment on that disgrace...

and it went on for years and years...

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Reply #7 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:57am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:53am:

This is probably the relevant part of that article but it leaves the important Question unanswered.

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But because the matter had been referred to the AFP by a third party and not the department, there was no chance to employ the Minchin protocol. It is still not known who referred the matter to the AFP.

Apparently if anyone were to point out Abbott's position directly to the AFP he would be in the same situation. any bets ?

why dont you then.. you seem to have him GUILTY of everything....

finger pointing always was your good side.

how about some decent evidence...

we have labor ministers in court..actually being charged with CRIME...

tell us what you will dob Abb ott in for doing?

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Reply #8 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:22am

cods wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 8:53am:

This is probably the relevant part of that article but it leaves the important Question unanswered.

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But because the matter had been referred to the AFP by a third party and not the department, there was no chance to employ the Minchin protocol. It is still not known who referred the matter to the AFP.

Apparently if anyone were to point out Abbott's position directly to the AFP he would be in the same situation. any bets ?

why dont you then.. you seem to have him GUILTY of everything....

finger pointing always was your good side.

how about some decent evidence...

we have labor ministers in court..actually being charged with CRIME...

tell us what you will dob Abb ott in for doing?

Not my style Cods, I'm no Liberal.

Wanna bet that the report to the AFP on Slipper wasn't sanctioned by the Liberals with Abbott's knowledge ???

Looks a lot like their typical approach of the last few terms.

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Slipper/Abbott Reply #9 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:25am True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:49am: its time to get rid of cretins like slippery slipper out of politics forever.. the only way to do this is to push the charges through... the same as Craig Thompson and other Labor criminals.... Slipper and Abbott were both endorsed by the Liberal Party not Labor.
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Reply #10 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:33am

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:49am:

its time to get rid of cretins like slippery slipper out of politics forever.. the only way to do this is to push the charges through...

the same as Craig Thompson and other Labor criminals....

I just been through the list of member of parliament and I can't find anyone name Craig Thompson.

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Reply #11 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:35am

John S wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:33am:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 7:49am:

its time to get rid of cretins like slippery slipper out of politics forever.. the only way to do this is to push the charges through...

the same as Craig Thompson and other Labor criminals....

I just been through the list of member of parliament and I can't find anyone name Craig Thompson.

Why it looks the same as his credit card ???

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Reply #12 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 9:48am

Cods, you are a very dangerous person, someone who provides democracy with a serious threat and just about every time I read you, I am reminded of the proposition that some people just ought not be allowed a vote. You state things as being fact, when they are just not facts, they are figments of your biased imagination. For example:

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it fails to mention this govt has agreed to pay all slippers court costs..

Yes, it does fail to make that mention, and for a very good reason which is that the Government is not paying Slipper’s costs in relation to this prosecution.

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I remember Whitlam being sued and he was allowed legal aid..in other words.. his costs were picked up by you know who...

That is just an outright lie. There is no way on this Planet that Whitlam, even today, would meet the threshold means test to qualify to receive ‘legal aid.’

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what CRIME has Abbott been accused of????...

He has not formally been charged with any crime, but he has done exactly the same as Slipper concerning his abuse of MP travel entitlements. Do you understand that?

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we have labor ministers in court..actually being charged with CRIME...

Total rubbish. A Lie.

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tell us what you will dob Abb ott in for doing?

He could be dobbed in for abusing his MP travel arrangements, just like Slipper was dobbed in. The only difference between the two is that Abbott has not been charged.

I’ll try to explain what Abbott has done concerning ComCars.

You must have seen MPs arriving at Parliament in distinctive white vehicles, driven by a bloke generally in uniform. That is a ComCar. It is Government owned and is made available to MPs to use for travel for work related purposes. It is impossible to imagine that an MP would not be 100% aware that he was travelling in a ComCar given its distinctive appearance, and that it is chauffeur driven. You must have heard of Abbott’s book, titled ‘Battle Lines’ a private venture of his, written by him and sold to the public who pay ‘him’ money to buy it. That money goes into his private wallet.

When authors’ books hit the Book Stores, it is usual that they attend at the Stores to promote the sale of their book, sign the cover and all that stuff. Abbott did exactly that and there is not the slightest problem in his doing so. The problem arises, the ‘crime’ committed when he uses ComCars to travel to the Book Stores and anywhere else for the private purpose of promoting his book. Do you understand?

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Reply #13 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 10:25am

He could be dobbed in for abusing his MP travel arrangements, just like Slipper was dobbed in. The only difference between the two is that Abbott has not been charged.

I’ll try to explain what Abbott has done concerning ComCars.

You must have seen MPs arriving at Parliament in distinctive white vehicles, driven by a bloke generally in uniform. That is a ComCar. It is Government owned and is made available to MPs to use for travel for work related purposes. It is impossible to imagine that an MP would not be 100% aware that he was travelling in a ComCar given its distinctive appearance, and that it is chauffeur driven. You must have heard of Abbott’s book, titled ‘Battle Lines’ a private venture of his, written by him and sold to the public who pay ‘him’ money to buy it. That money goes into his private wallet.

When authors’ books hit the Book Stores, it is usual that they attend at the Stores to promote the sale of their book, sign the cover and all that stuff. Abbott did exactly that and there is not the slightest problem in his doing so. The problem arises, the ‘crime’ committed when he uses ComCars to travel to the Book Stores and anywhere else for the private purpose of promoting his book. Do you understand?
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one of my daughters used to work at comcar.. so idiot I know more than you do...

where have I said abbott did no wrong..

do you undertsand???? bush lawyer.?

. btw did he use comcars to take him to male only bath houses...like some sleaze from the left did.. I do not recall you claiming he had committed a CRIME...

what about that other sleaze..Mal Colson who drove back and forth from Qld..

its also very noticable you havent said a word about.. the ICAC PAIR...if you want to find some real C RIME look in your own back yard...

then again that would mean taking off your blinkers.. and that wont happen will it?...

claiming travel when going on a book tour and then paying the money back is a real CRIME no doubt about it..

going to male bathouses and keeping the car waiting until he had finished is A OK if you a lefty..dont worry we get it.

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Reply #14 - Aug 2^nd, 2013 at 10:32am

just for you aussie [ Mr knowall] I trust you comprehend ok.

Government to cover Slipper’s court costs
FORMER Speaker Peter Slipper has been given a financial safety net by the federal government for ongoing civil proceedings. The federal government has agreed to ensure former Speaker Peter Slipper is not left out of pocket after defending civil proceedings [...]

By Australia Wants You on 12 July, 2013 12:29 pm in News / no comments

Peter Slipper

FORMER Speaker Peter Slipper has been given a financial safety net by the federal government for ongoing civil proceedings.

The federal government has agreed to ensure former Speaker Peter Slipper is not left out of pocket after defending civil proceedings brought by his former staffer James Ashby.

Acting special minister of state Gary Gray says the decision was necessary to guard against an increasingly litigious society where politically-motivated legal action had the potential to improperly influence the work of federal MPs and senators.

And he believed the liability insurance arrangements should also apply to state parliamentarians throughout the nation.

“It’s a principle and the principle is this: that members and senators should be allowed to go about their work and their jobs without consideration for the cost that comes from potentially vexatious, politically motivated legal action,” Mr Gray told reporters in Perth.

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