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Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:04am
 
Parents worried about Abbott plan to make public schools go independent.      Sad

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    August 2, 2013


Manager of opposition business Christopher Pyne says the Coalition will not put forward a no-confidence motion in the government despite earlier vows to do so.



A push by a federal Coalition government to turn public schools into independent schools could impose a heavy burden on staff and parents and lead to a "two-tiered" government system, according to an alliance of parent groups in NSW.      Sad

The presidents of six Parents and Citizens Association district councils have written a joint letter to federal Coalition MPs seeking urgent detail on one of their key education policies – to "encourage state schools to choose to become independent schools".

Opposition education spokesman Christopher Pyne has said he would like to see other states pursue a model similar to that in Western Australia, where the government has created a category called "independent public schools".

In WA, schools can apply to become an IPS, giving them autonomy over budgets and staffing and more discretion over the curriculum. They are managed partly by a school board, remain publicly funded and cannot charge compulsory fees.


The parents' alliance raised concerns about the impact of any such change.

"School principals were appointed for their educational leadership, not for business management skills. They need to stay focused on ensuring great educational outcomes for the students, not be distracted by additional administrative burdens," the letter says.

Acting president of the Northern Sydney Council of P&Cs, Steph Croft, said some schools might struggle to find parents and community members who had the spare time and the appropriate management skills to sit on school boards.

"Even in communities with very highly skilled people, it's very, very hard," she said.

The letter also raised concerns about why the Coalition would pursue a model similar to that of US charter schools, given that the US does not perform well on education rankings by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, and that Finland performs much better.

"One of the world benchmarks for educational excellence is Finland ... the Finns do not have private schools nor segregated selective schools – nor do they have charter or independent schools," the letter says.

"Rather than let one section of education fall behind because of a lack of funding or attention, the Finns lift the education of all students."

The letter queries what safeguards could be used to stop a "two-tiered" system developing between public schools that were independent and those that weren't.

In a written response Mr Pyne told Fairfax Media the Coalition would not pursue a "one-size fits all" approach and had no intention to force schools that did not have "the capacity or the desire to become more autonomous" to do so.

He said greater autonomy allowed principals to be more responsive to the educational needs of students. "Principals I have met in Western Australia rave about the freedom they have to create programs and drive school reforms, benefiting not just the school and students but the community at large," he said.

"Some of the greatest success stories have been in low [socio-economic status] schools."

An evaluation of the WA policy by the University of Melbourne found principals felt it had "enhanced the functioning of their school" but they were concerned it had given some schools an advantage over others.

The NSW Education Minister, Adrian Piccoli, has already opposed the federal Coalition's policy, telling Fairfax Media last month that NSW would not go along with any plan to introduce "charter schools or independent public schools because there is no evidence that they improve student performance".      Sad   

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Reply #1 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:07am
 
what paren ts.. where are they?? name them so we can discuss Roll Eyes
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Children should be educated in the moral and economic supremacy of State Socialism over free market capitalism or State capitalism, why Collectivism is superior to individualism morally, ethically and why it is in humanities common good that we abolish private property and ownership....
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Reply #3 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am
 
All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money.

We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.
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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am:
All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money.

We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.



The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail.

We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you.


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These new independent schools in WA are crap and deliver nothing in terms of education outcomes it is all about cost cutting and using volunteers to sit on school boards to make business decisions within a limited budget and limited business experience.....This is all about cost cutting and has nothing to do with education!!!

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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:21pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am:
All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money.

We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.



the Finnish model is INDEPENDENT schools  - exactly the Coalition model.  so are you supporting it or what?
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Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:22pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:55am:
These new independent schools in WA are crap and deliver nothing in terms of education outcomes it is all about cost cutting and using volunteers to sit on school boards to make business decisions within a limited budget and limited business experience.....This is all about cost cutting and has nothing to do with education!!!

Angry Angry Angry



is that fact or just your opinion?  can you direct us to some independent detailed assessment of the scheme?
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Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:38pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am:
All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money.

We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.



The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail.

We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you.




The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system.
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Reply #9 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:42pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 3:21pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am:
All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money.

We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.



the Finnish model is INDEPENDENT schools  - exactly the Coalition model.  so are you supporting it or what?


They are run autonomously by top qualified people who are payed accordingly and not by some MBA dickhead. They are still part of the public system and there is no elitist bullshit uniforms to make money out of. Your libbo mates still want to dole money out to all of those religious run money making private school scam operators. No religious institution should be allowed anywhere near a school let alone run it Sad
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Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:38pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am:
All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money.

We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.



The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail.

We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you.




The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system.


the finnish system has AUTONOMOUS schools and they operate on less money per head than do ours.  ironically, they all operate very similar to our PRIVATE schools except they don't take fees.
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Reply #11 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:48pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:44pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:38pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am:
All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money.

We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.



The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail.

We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you.




The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system.


the finnish system has AUTONOMOUS schools and they operate on less money per head than do ours.  ironically, they all operate very similar to our PRIVATE schools except they don't take fees.


They are not the same. None of them are run by religious institutions or any other scammers trying to maximise their profits. They are essentially public schools and not some wanky hailerbury college or scott college elitist bullshit where you can only go if you can afford it Sad
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Reply #12 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 5:54pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:48pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:44pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:38pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:37am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:33am:
All schools should be public and private schools should not get one cent of tax payers money.

We should be following the Finnish school model and not feeding these private scammers with tax payers money. It's just elitist bullshit.



The rich and middle income earners are the taxpayers; not the freeloading , one paypacket from being homeless losers like you nail.

We pay the taxes, we say were the money goes, not the like of you.




The Finnish education system is one of the top ranking in the world. Guess what ? they don't pour public money into private schools run by scammers. They only have a public school system and just employ the best teachers money can buy. No bullshit uniforms either which just puts more money into some scammers pocket. Australia will never have education reform whilst the scamming private schools are siphoning money away from the public education system.


the finnish system has AUTONOMOUS schools and they operate on less money per head than do ours.  ironically, they all operate very similar to our PRIVATE schools except they don't take fees.


They are not the same. None of them are run by religious institutions or any other scammers trying to maximise their profits. They are essentially public schools and not some wanky hailerbury college or scott college elitist bullshit where you can only go if you can afford it Sad



they are run as private schools but paid for by the govt.  You just don't like the fact that higher education outcomes arrive from using the best parts of the PRIVATE SCHOOL model.  no wanky education department with its idiotic ideas imposing rules and regulations on schools while taking 30% of the budget in its own right.
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Reply #13 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:05pm
 
Funny thing is you wont find a parent anywhere that would not put their kid in a private school instead of a public school if they could, not one, even the ALP sends all their kids private, if that doesn't say it all nothing ever will   Cheesy
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Reply #14 - Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:20pm
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 6:05pm:
Funny thing is you wont find a parent anywhere that would not put their kid in a private school instead of a public school if they could, not one, even the ALP sends all their kids private, if that doesn't say it all nothing ever will   Cheesy


there are very few who wouldn't send their kids to a private school if they could.  but try telling that to public-nail!
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