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Reply #30 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

Do you not think there should be a consequence to a Government that promises the people a surplus come hell or high water, then actually produces a $33bn deficit?

No.

It's economic forecasting, not science.

If I or any of our FP&A team forecasted as poor as that we'd be fired.

US listed companies don't accept such such failure that it seems the Australian Government does.

Australia is not a listed company.

You're making a ridiculous comparison.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13 Reply #31 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:07pm How can the capitalist parties convince the moral community in Australias to continue to have confidence in an inherently rotten, corrupt and unfair system...
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38860 Gender:	Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13 Reply #32 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:12pm corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:07pm: How can the capitalist parties convince the moral community in Australias to continue to have confidence in an inherently rotten, corrupt and unfair system... You weren't Doc Mercury in another life, were you?
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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #33 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:24pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

How can the capitalist parties convince the moral community in Australias to continue to have confidence in an inherently rotten, corrupt and unfair system...

You weren't Doc Mercury in another life, were you?

We in the moral community want the capitalist parties to make clear who they are going to punish this time to pay for their never ending economic failure. Who are they going to exclude, who are they going to cut this time...

We all know they get their policy from far right wing capitalist think tanks that are mouth pieces for corrupt criminal organized crime networks....

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #34 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:26pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

There will need to be significant cuts in the budget.

Did you sleep through that mini budget from this week?

Their much vaunted surplus for 2013/14 has been turned into a $33 bn DEFICIT!!!

The Australian economy since 2007 has been run into the ground and is now in awful condition of debt and deficits.

Public spending needs to be cut, foreign aid needs to be cut and taxes need to be streamlined.

The last 6 years have seen the economy go south wards.

Thank you for your usual summary of a newspaper. And for proving the point that we don't need a man who disagrees with spending cuts, but someone who actually understands the problems with the budget.

Rudd??? Labor???? how do you come to THAT conclusion????

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #35 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:26pm

skippy. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

salad in wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

If the polls are correct it will be tight. Various poll numbers range from 50/50 to 51/49 etc. The choice for the punters will be who not to vote for or which party will cause the least amount of damage to Australia.

Interesting times ahead.

The fact the polls are already 50/50 is interesting given in an election campaign they get even tighter. Australia has a history of close elections, longwhinyfool calling -53/47 just shows why longwhinyfool is a suitable nick for him.
I doubt we will se a poll over the next five weeks more than two points difference. The voters have to get serious now and so all the huffing and puffing saying they will support phoney Tony that has gone on in the past three years will evaporate as has been evident since Rudds return.
Another hung parliament is the most likly scenario, which means another three years of a minority Labor government given the GREENS and independents will support Labor over phoney Tony. Katter has already gone on record saying he will back Rudd if a hung parliament occurs and Wilkie would be unlikely to support phony Tony too. This will probably all end in tears for the conga line. Grin

history of close election???? precisely TWO minority govts in 112 years???

There's not much you know of political history, is there?

Close means 51/49 or even 52/48 , but your dementia riddled brain would battle to get around that.

52/48 usually means a margin of 20 seats. by no rational definition is that CLOSE.

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Reply #36 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

There will need to be significant cuts in the budget.

Did you sleep through that mini budget from this week?

Their much vaunted surplus for 2013/14 has been turned into a $33 bn DEFICIT!!!

The Australian economy since 2007 has been run into the ground and is now in awful condition of debt and deficits.

Public spending needs to be cut, foreign aid needs to be cut and taxes need to be streamlined.

The last 6 years have seen the economy go south wards.

Thank you for your usual summary of a newspaper. And for proving the point that we don't need a man who disagrees with spending cuts, but someone who actually understands the problems with the budget.

Do you find it acceptable to promise a surplus and produce a $33bn deficit?

There should be no consequences to that?

Do you think its acceptable to cry DEBT AND DEFICIT DEBT AND DEFICIT and then go against all spending measures? How will Tony END THE WASTE?

You never answered my question.

Do you not think there should be a consequence to a Government that promises the people a surplus come hell or high water, then actually produces a $33bn deficit?

I think its not that black and white. The question is, if we know there are structural problems with the budget, then would you rather one that has proposals, or one who simply whines like a b1tch, opposes everything and has no solution?

what proposals??? more tobacco taxes? that's it??? that comes up with ONE billion in a budget that is 33 billion in deficit.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #37 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

Do you not think there should be a consequence to a Government that promises the people a surplus come hell or high water, then actually produces a $33bn deficit?

No.

It's economic forecasting, not science.

that explains your belief in ACC. the models don't nee to be close or even remotely accurate for you to 'believe'.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #38 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

Do you not think there should be a consequence to a Government that promises the people a surplus come hell or high water, then actually produces a $33bn deficit?

No.

It's economic forecasting, not science.

If I or any of our FP&A team forecasted as poor as that we'd be fired.

US listed companies don't accept such such failure that it seems the Australian Government does.

Australia is not a listed company.

You're making a ridiculous comparison.

Listed companies are held to account.
How do you think our share price would look if we were $34 billion out in a forecast?

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #39 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

Do you not think there should be a consequence to a Government that promises the people a surplus come hell or high water, then actually produces a $33bn deficit?

No.

It's economic forecasting, not science.

that explains your belief in ACC. the models don't nee to be close or even remotely accurate for you to 'believe'.

What on earth are you talking about?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13 Reply #40 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:34pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:04pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:01pm: Kevin Rudd on the news "This is truly a great country....." Indeed, it is.
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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #41 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

salad in wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

If the polls are correct it will be tight. Various poll numbers range from 50/50 to 51/49 etc. The choice for the punters will be who not to vote for or which party will cause the least amount of damage to Australia.

Interesting times ahead.

The fact the polls are already 50/50 is interesting given in an election campaign they get even tighter. Australia has a history of close elections, longwhinyfool calling -53/47 just shows why longwhinyfool is a suitable nick for him.
I doubt we will se a poll over the next five weeks more than two points difference. The voters have to get serious now and so all the huffing and puffing saying they will support phoney Tony that has gone on in the past three years will evaporate as has been evident since Rudds return.
Another hung parliament is the most likly scenario, which means another three years of a minority Labor government given the GREENS and independents will support Labor over phoney Tony. Katter has already gone on record saying he will back Rudd if a hung parliament occurs and Wilkie would be unlikely to support phony Tony too. This will probably all end in tears for the conga line. Grin

history of close election???? precisely TWO minority govts in 112 years???

There's not much you know of political history, is there?

Close means 51/49 or even 52/48 , but your dementia riddled brain would battle to get around that.

52/48 usually means a margin of 20 seats. by no rational definition is that CLOSE.

A delusional pedantic fvckwit on the verge of dementia would think that.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #42 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

Do you not think there should be a consequence to a Government that promises the people a surplus come hell or high water, then actually produces a $33bn deficit?

No.

It's economic forecasting, not science.

that explains your belief in ACC. the models don't nee to be close or even remotely accurate for you to 'believe'.

What on earth are you talking about?

you seem very happy for a forecast/prediction to be massively off-target and yet still believe ie Labor and ACCC

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #43 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

There will need to be significant cuts in the budget.

Did you sleep through that mini budget from this week?

Their much vaunted surplus for 2013/14 has been turned into a $33 bn DEFICIT!!!

The Australian economy since 2007 has been run into the ground and is now in awful condition of debt and deficits.

Public spending needs to be cut, foreign aid needs to be cut and taxes need to be streamlined.

The last 6 years have seen the economy go south wards.

Thank you for your usual summary of a newspaper. And for proving the point that we don't need a man who disagrees with spending cuts, but someone who actually understands the problems with the budget.

Do you find it acceptable to promise a surplus and produce a $33bn deficit?

There should be no consequences to that?

Do you think its acceptable to cry DEBT AND DEFICIT DEBT AND DEFICIT and then go against all spending measures? How will Tony END THE WASTE?

You never answered my question.

Do you not think there should be a consequence to a Government that promises the people a surplus come hell or high water, then actually produces a $33bn deficit?

I think its not that black and white. The question is, if we know there are structural problems with the budget, then would you rather one that has proposals, or one who simply whines like a b1tch, opposes everything and has no solution?

what proposals??? more tobacco taxes? that's it??? that comes up with ONE billion in a budget that is 33 billion in deficit.

5.3b. Firstly. Tony support it? No?
Fbt.
Bank levy
What does tony say?
Go away long ie, your partusanship has caused you to become maqqa.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #44 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

Do you not think there should be a consequence to a Government that promises the people a surplus come hell or high water, then actually produces a $33bn deficit?

No.

It's economic forecasting, not science.

that explains your belief in ACC. the models don't nee to be close or even remotely accurate for you to 'believe'.

ACC? Anthropogenic Climate Change? Is that what you mean?

You do realise that I'm probably the most sceptical person on this forum when it comes to ACC/AGW don't you?

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