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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13 Reply #90 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:09pm Kat wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:48pm: Quote: After all, they have failed on every metric possible in 6 years. Only in the minds of the truly deluded. I disagree.
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Reply #91 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

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After all, they have failed on every metric possible in 6 years.

Only in the minds of the truly deluded.

actually, in the minds of those who care and take note of more than the level of the dole which is your SOLE interest. and BTW labor even failed you on that.

please don't vote liberal. We take almost anyone's vote. but we really don't want yours.

Just smack off!

As usual, you have no smacking idea, so resort to abuse and slurs.

You haven't got a goddamned clue what my interests are, or are not. Suffice to say that listening to
bullshyt and being slagged for my opinions isn't one of them. So STFU.

As for my vote, you'll never get it while ever there's a single vestige of Howardism remaining in the
party.

If you don't like what I post, don't smacking read it.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #93 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Rudd failed miserably ... he was a pathetic Prime Minister, and so was his govt.
Labor replaced him with Gillard, she was even worse...so Labor replaced her with Rudd, the pathetic PM they dumped previously.

and yet the labor drongos want more of the same.

Yes, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

public school, no degrees and welfare dependant. that is their heartland.

Fair comment.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #94 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Rudd failed miserably ... he was a pathetic Prime Minister, and so was his govt.
Labor replaced him with Gillard, she was even worse...so Labor replaced her with Rudd, the pathetic PM they dumped previously.

and yet the labor drongos want more of the same.

Yes, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

public school, no degrees and welfare dependant. that is their heartland.

And again...

Know eye, dear.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13 Reply #95 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:13pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:09pm: Kat wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:48pm: Quote: After all, they have failed on every metric possible in 6 years. Only in the minds of the truly deluded. I disagree. Hardly surprising, you always do. Doesn't make you right, though...
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Reply #96 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Rudd failed miserably ... he was a pathetic Prime Minister, and so was his govt.
Labor replaced him with Gillard, she was even worse...so Labor replaced her with Rudd, the pathetic PM they dumped previously.

and yet the labor drongos want more of the same.

Yes, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

public school, no degrees and welfare dependant. that is their heartland.

Perhaps the option the conservatives are offering up is part of the problem.

The best way to get Malcolm Turnbull as PM, vote against Abbott.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #97 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:15pm

Kat wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Rudd failed miserably ... he was a pathetic Prime Minister, and so was his govt.
Labor replaced him with Gillard, she was even worse...so Labor replaced her with Rudd, the pathetic PM they dumped previously.

and yet the labor drongos want more of the same.

Yes, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

public school, no degrees and welfare dependant. that is their heartland.

And again...

Know eye, dear.

please tell us that you are a private school educated, university graduate with a professional career and not welfare dependant.

Cant?

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #98 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:16pm

Kat wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:09pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

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After all, they have failed on every metric possible in 6 years.

Only in the minds of the truly deluded.

I disagree.

Hardly surprising, you always do.

Doesn't make you right, though...

oh I don't know. Just as with SOB and hangnail, disagreeing with you is 80% of being right. The idea of you being right very often is preposterous.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #99 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:17pm

____ wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Rudd failed miserably ... he was a pathetic Prime Minister, and so was his govt.
Labor replaced him with Gillard, she was even worse...so Labor replaced her with Rudd, the pathetic PM they dumped previously.

and yet the labor drongos want more of the same.

Yes, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

public school, no degrees and welfare dependant. that is their heartland.

Perhaps the option the conservatives are offering up is part of the problem.

The best way to get Malcolm Turnbull as PM, vote against Abbott.

speaking of the welfare-dependant, high school dropout... a green is back.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #100 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

____ wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

bambu wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Rudd failed miserably ... he was a pathetic Prime Minister, and so was his govt.
Labor replaced him with Gillard, she was even worse...so Labor replaced her with Rudd, the pathetic PM they dumped previously.

and yet the labor drongos want more of the same.

Yes, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

public school, no degrees and welfare dependant. that is their heartland.

Perhaps the option the conservatives are offering up is part of the problem.

The best way to get Malcolm Turnbull as PM, vote against Abbott.

speaking of the welfare-dependant, high school dropout... a green is back.

Still nothing to sell from the small thinking conservative side.

Malcolm Turnbull will never be PM if people chose Abbott this time.

Abbott last = Malcolm Turnbull as a option at the next election.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #101 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

the problem is that there is little point in discussing policy with you. It doesn't matter what Abbott proposes, you will reject it for any one of a group of artificial reasons.

No they are perfectly valid questions and if answered who knows what my response would be.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

And yet, you embrace Rudd with a passion that defies you otherwise obvious intelligence.

Ahh no not rudd but the actual policy.
Means testing the PHR makes sense
Closing tax loopholes is fine by me
BER was a good idea
Pink batts was a good one as well and tied in nicely with the CT adgenda
Single mothers is a bit tough can do with further refinement
CT no problem with that, although I would pefer to see money invested in R&D than the compo
You cant have a problem with Gonski or NDIS, Tony supports them so, well, so must you.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

The man is a first rate fool. Everything he touches turns to crap. Every policy was designed over lunch and costed on a calculator. You would be hard pressed to point to a single policy that has worked and certainly not one that was cheap and effective.

You cant have both, either you want Cheap or you want Effective.

BTW the CT has worked quite well, IMO

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

yet you give him the benefit of the doubt again and again.

No personally I think the man is a sleazy little prick.
His whitanting over the last 2.5 years has been woeful.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

There is almost no standard of 'bad PM' that Rudd could not go below. I don't know if Abbott will be a good or a poor PM. Nobody does. But I am damned sure that virtually nobody could be more arrogant, more egotistical and more disaster-prone than Rudd.

Other than the the highlighted part you can have that.
As I keep saying I look at policy, not the leader, and so far as Al has so succiently put Abbott's is a fantasy which virtually locks in a more disaster.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #102 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:16pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:09pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:48pm:

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After all, they have failed on every metric possible in 6 years.

Only in the minds of the truly deluded.

I disagree.

Hardly surprising, you always do.

Doesn't make you right, though...

oh I don't know. Just as with SOB and hangnail, disagreeing with you is 80% of being right. The idea of you being right very often is preposterous.

I'll take that as an endorsement of the fact that I am actually usually correct.

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #103 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:02pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Actually that's also wrong longie. First they were meant to be announced before budget. Then after budget. Now it's election. But not costed and still don't know when: probably sept 8th.

Come on mr intellect: labor has increased spending by 70% and revenue grew by 50% according to you. SURELY FOR MR END THE WASTE GIVEN THESE FIGURES IT ISN'T TOO HARD TO ANNOUNCE WHAT THE SPENDING CUTS WILL Be??

Back to your fairyland. You are a disgrace.

what nonsense. for the last 6 months, every other week has shown a massive change in the govts fiscal position meaning that they are either lying or totally lost control of the economy.

any how fool... when you can show me a detailed prescription for balancing the budget from that mob of buffoons who in 6 years have given us the 6 largest deficits ever, then come back and try again. for now, you are just screaming because you know Labor are headed to political execution. You can smell it just as everyone else can (except skippy of course).

Amazing isnt it. Your argument is that a party who HAS announced spending cuts can't do it but apparently your wankjob can, by only screaming debt and deficit and end the waste, without announcing one thing and opposing ALL CUTS. end the hit, Ey? Grin

And my dismay is not for labor, but more for this country, because we are bound for pure lunacy.
Ridiculous clown. Go back to your dreamland.

but its labor and this is about the 35th time we've heard 'spending cuts' from them and with the result being MORE spending and MORE debt every time. At what point do you stop simply believing Labors policies? We were having spending cuts every budget since 2008 and every single one of them has shown significant real INCREASES in spending. every single one.

The real question is why you could possibly believe a single word or policy that this mob of clowns announces. You don't have to like Abbott and you are even entitled to feel justificably dubious. But to continue to believe that labor can deliver a single thing it promises is lunacy. After all, they have failed on every metric possible in 6 years.

Let's break it down for you
1. Government announces spending cuts. Wankjob opposes them.
2. Government passes spending cuts. Wankjob promises to repeal them.
3. Government announces spending (ndis/Gonski). Wankjob agrees with spending.
4. Wankjob keeps yelling debt and deficit. But opposes all cuts and promises to repeal them.

That is why I can't vote for him. Largely because it's moronic politics and moron policy.

You claim spending has increased dramatically. Well surely it should be easy to cut it back to END TE WASTE. Let's hear it.

spending cuts??? only in class-warfare based cuts. never across the board. Super tax increases - for high earners. Even the FBT changes were targeted at high earners except the bozo missed and hit mainly middle income earners. Of course if he'd asked someone - anyone - outside of the lunch room where he devised this, he would have known that.

I would like you to honestly tell me that you think Labor can bring the budget back to surplus and pay off the debt EVER. and a second question: do you really think Rudd is going to suddenly change and deliver well-considered, properly costed polices that will work... this time? They are the questions you should be answering. You don't have to like Abbott but to believe that Rudd is better than... frankly anyone, in the job of PM doesn't not sit well on you.

The difference is longie, rudd has at least laid out plans. You may not agree with them, but he has put them on the table.

And wankjob? Wankjob yells and yells and offers nothing. Stop ducking from the question and answer or p/off: what will tony cut?

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Re: We Are In Election Mode ~ 7/9/13
Reply #104 - Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:44pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

the problem is that there is little point in discussing policy with you. It doesn't matter what Abbott proposes, you will reject it for any one of a group of artificial reasons.

No they are perfectly valid questions and if answered who knows what my response would be.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

And yet, you embrace Rudd with a passion that defies you otherwise obvious intelligence.

Ahh no not rudd but the actual policy.
Means testing the PHR makes sense
Closing tax loopholes is fine by me
BER was a good idea
Pink batts was a good one as well and tied in nicely with the CT adgenda
Single mothers is a bit tough can do with further refinement
CT no problem with that, although I would pefer to see money invested in R&D than the compo
You cant have a problem with Gonski or NDIS, Tony supports them so, well, so must you.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

The man is a first rate fool. Everything he touches turns to crap. Every policy was designed over lunch and costed on a calculator. You would be hard pressed to point to a single policy that has worked and certainly not one that was cheap and effective.

You cant have both, either you want Cheap or you want Effective.

BTW the CT has worked quite well, IMO

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

yet you give him the benefit of the doubt again and again.

No personally I think the man is a sleazy little prick.
His whitanting over the last 2.5 years has been woeful.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 4^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

There is almost no standard of 'bad PM' that Rudd could not go below. I don't know if Abbott will be a good or a poor PM. Nobody does. But I am damned sure that virtually nobody could be more arrogant, more egotistical and more disaster-prone than Rudd.

Other than the the highlighted part you can have that.
As I keep saying I look at policy, not the leader, and so far as Al has so succiently put Abbott's is a fantasy which virtually locks in a more disaster.

pink batts was a good idea??

your credibility gets shredded here. In the midst of an economic crisis what does the Dudd pick on to save us all??? PINK BATTS!!! and not only was it hopelessly managed and killed people, it also brought the insulation industry to its knees and destroyed some long-lasting companies.

now if you think pink batts was a 'good one' then I guess that explains why you liked BER, CT etc.

on a related note, my business turns over about a million a year. Since there is a downturn in the industry I think I should petition Rudd for some 'stimulus money'. I promise I will give good value and I should only need $100M. is that okay? I promise to employ an extra couple of people - refugees if that will help.

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