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Aug 4th, 2013 at 4:11pm
 


For the sake of some of the posters on this board, this footage is from the North Pole, and to anticipate some of your questions, I have no information at hand on the fate of Santa Claus or his elves Smiley
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Reply #1 - Aug 4th, 2013 at 6:15pm
 
And while the formation of lakes at the pole has happened before - there is no denying that the Actic icecap is decreasing rapidly:

During the first two weeks of July, ice extent declined at a rate of 132,000 square kilometers (51,000 square miles) per day. This was 61% faster than the average rate of decline over the period 1981 to 2010 of 82,000 square kilometers (32,000 square miles) per day.

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http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The earth has been warming for the past 15 years.  Despite what a columnist in the Daily Mail may have written.
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Reply #2 - Aug 4th, 2013 at 7:16pm
 
I'm just hanging out for the underwater volcano or sunken nuclear subs hypotheses  Grin

Go on. Give me a laugh.
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Reply #3 - Aug 4th, 2013 at 10:32pm
 
Or we could go with the actual scientific opinion:

"Though the North Pole lake’s 15 minutes of fame focused worldwide attention on global warming’s effects on Arctic sea ice, the melting is actually part of an annual summer thaw, according to researchers who run the North Pole Environmental Observatory. “The formation of these ponds and their disappearance is part of a natural cycle,” said Axel Schweiger, head of the Applied Physics Laboratory’s Polar Science Center at the University of Washington, which helps run the observatory.

The lake, about the size of an Olympic swimming pool, started forming in mid-July, LiveScience first reported on July 23.
The size and timing of the lake are typical for this time of year and location, the researchers said."



oops, forgot this bit:

"When the meltwater lake appeared in mid-July, the buoys were about 375 miles (600 kilometers) south of the geographic North Pole. Their journey from April to July put the buoys on parallel to the magnetic North Pole, which is currently west of Greenland."
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Reply #4 - Aug 4th, 2013 at 10:42pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 4:11pm:


For the sake of some of the posters on this board, this footage is from the North Pole, and to anticipate some of your questions, I have no information at hand on the fate of Santa Claus or his elves Smiley



And you complain that skeptics 'cherry pick' the data???????
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Reply #5 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 10:01am
 
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oops, forgot this bit:

"When the meltwater lake appeared in mid-July, the buoys were about 375 miles (600 kilometers) south of the geographic North Pole. Their journey from April to July put the buoys on parallel to the magnetic North Pole, which is currently west of Greenland."


That close?  The fact remains that methane is bubbling off from melting arctic lakes and permafrost at an increasing rate of about 2% per year.

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On the basis of 22 months of almost continuous, automated, GC/FID measurements of atmospheric CH4 at Cape Meares (45°N), we show that the concentration of CH4 is increasing at about 2% per yr (±0.5% yr−1). The data also revealed stable seasonal cycles with peak concentrations in October and minimum concentrations in July. The magnitude of the seasonal variations during these months is about ±20 ppbv from the average (∼±1.2%). If the current trend continues, the increased CH4 concentration may result in a 0.2°K to 0.4°K average increase in earth's surface temperature over the next 40 years or so (based on calculations of Wang et al. (1976)). The coupling of CH4 to tropospheric and stratospheric chemical processes is discussed.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/JC086iC10p09826/abstract;jsessionid=D...

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Reply #6 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 10:18am
 
This is the path that we're headed down:
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Reply #7 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 11:05am
 
We're doomed.
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Reply #8 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 12:10pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 5th, 2013 at 10:18am:



Which completely ignores the existence of any form of natural variation in the Earth's climate system.
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gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 5th, 2013 at 12:10pm:
Which completely ignores the existence of any form of natural variation in the Earth's climate system.


Well the portion up to 2013 is actual data, so it includes natural variation. However the projection does ignore natural variation.

It demonstrates just how minor the natural temperature variations are over an approximate 200 year timescale in comparison to the projected increase due to the emission of Greenhouse Gases. Obviously if there was a major stratospheric eruption such as a super volcano,  that would change everything, but we haven't had one of those for about 70 000 years.

It also ignores one or two feedbacks that are a consequence of increased emission of greenhouse gases, so it's potentially understated. 

I'll tell you what, I'll superimpose the natural variation of the past on the projected figures to show how much effect it would have. Here I've used 10 year running means. The graph is indicative only. 

In other words, if the natural variation of the last century is indicative of the natural variation between now and 2100, it would look something like this: 
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Reply #10 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 2:40pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 4:11pm:
For the sake of some of the posters on this board, this footage is from the North Pole, and to anticipate some of your questions, I have no information at hand on the fate of Santa Claus or his elves Smiley


I heard that Santa lives in a bubble under the sea now, with all his Elves and Reindeer. Santa won't be coming down the chimney anymore, but up the S-bend of the nearest toilet.
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Reply #11 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 3:43pm
 
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 5th, 2013 at 2:40pm:
muso wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 4:11pm:
For the sake of some of the posters on this board, this footage is from the North Pole, and to anticipate some of your questions, I have no information at hand on the fate of Santa Claus or his elves Smiley


I heard that Santa lives in a bubble under the sea now, with all his Elves and Reindeer. Santa won't be coming down the chimney anymore, but up the S-bend of the nearest toilet.


that may prove difficult, I've heard its blocked with fraudulent and failed climate science papers.... Grin
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Reply #12 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 4:19pm
 
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that may prove difficult, I've heard its blocked with fraudulent and failed climate science papers.... Grin


What on earth are you doing in Joanne Nova's bathroom?
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Reply #13 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 4:24pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 5th, 2013 at 4:19pm:
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that may prove difficult, I've heard its blocked with fraudulent and failed climate science papers.... Grin


What on earth are you doing in Joanne Nova's bathroom?

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Reply #14 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 5:40pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 10:42pm:
muso wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 4:11pm:


For the sake of some of the posters on this board, this footage is from the North Pole, and to anticipate some of your questions, I have no information at hand on the fate of Santa Claus or his elves Smiley



And you complain that skeptics 'cherry pick' the data???????

Muso showed us an interesting video?  How is that "cherry picking' the data???????

Yes - it is acknowledged that the formation of lakes at the pole has happened before - but there is still no denying that the Actic icecap is decreasing rapidly.

It reached it's least extent on record in 2012 - and is rapidly approaching the same level in 2013:

Sea ice in the Arctic has shrunk to its smallest extent ever recorded, smashing the previous record minimum and prompting warnings of accelerated climate change.

Satellite images show that the rapid summer melt has reduced the area of frozen sea to less than 3.5 million square kilometres this week – less than half the area typically occupied four decades ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/14/arctic-sea-ice-smallest-exten...


During the first two weeks of July, ice extent declined at a rate of 132,000 square kilometers (51,000 square miles) per day. This was 61% faster than the average rate of decline over the period 1981 to 2010 of 82,000 square kilometers (32,000 square miles) per day.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

That is data.

Are you going to claim that that is "cherry picked"?

It makes the Daily Mail's columnists claim of "no warming in 15 years" seem pretty silly, doesn't it.
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