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Reply #30 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:36am
 
The working class do not want to enter into work agreements with capitalists...we want ownership of the means of production...stop subsidizing capitalist criminal parasites....
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Reply #31 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:42am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:22am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:49am:
Example:

http://www.tfga.com.au/in-the-news/from-the-ceo/end-our-state-of-dysfunction/

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However, it is time we all acknowledged the elephant in the room.
Tasmania’s economic elephant is called structural dysfunction.
In its simplest terms,
this means that one-third of our potential workforce is in the public service,
one-third is on social welfare,
the other third is in private enterprise.


What will Abbott do about it?



Bump to the Libbos.



Can't get a reply.

OK - what are both major parties policy on the number of public servants?
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Reply #32 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:01pm
 
We are expected to vote for slogans -

No party is giving any details.

What will they do with all the public servant paper shufflers?
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Re: Abbott would cut Company tax rate by 1.5%
Reply #33 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 12:43pm
 
Verge wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 11:06am:
Verge wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 10:41am:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:53am:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 7:19am:
Cutting company tax by 1.5% will cost $5 billion PA in lost revenue.....The 1.5% tax increase on large companies will be used to pay for most of Abbott's PPL scheme with the rest coming from consolidated revenue.....With no other new taxes or charges how will Abbott fund this thought bubble???

Huh Huh Huh


reduced taxes increases economic activity - that's a proven.  this could end up paying for itself in ironically increased tax revenues and higher employment and income taxes.

this ladies and gentlemen is what a REAL economic stimulus is all about - not throwing money around and hoping some will land in good places.


Not when the tax cut is being offset by a "levy" to fund an unnecessay increase in government expenditure.

Abbott has only done one thing, increased government expenditure in the form of paid parental leave over and above the existing scheme.


no company will be worse off and most will be better off.  I find it hard to see that as a negative particularly when the intention is to reduced company tax rates further.  This is just the first step.  AS a company owner, I am pleased.  Of course I need to make a profit first  Sad


The benefit to small business will be one that will be enjoyed, but it is a bit double edged for the following reason;
Eg
Longy Pty Ltd makes a profit for the year of $150,000, and a tax bill of $45,000.  Director Longy decides that since he had a good year, and to get the profits out of the company he pays himself a dividend of $50,000.  This dividend comes with a franking credit of $15,000.

Under the coalition proposal on the same circumstances Longy pays only $42,750, but what that means is the franking credits will reduce by the same percentage as well.

So when you lodge your own personal return you wont have the extra franking credits when then means the tax payable by the individual shareholder becomes more.

The objective of a small business company that makes profits is to ultimatley have all those profits returned to the shareholders (usually mum and dad).  The lower tax means lower franking credits so there is no nett benefit as Mum and Dad have had less of their personal tax bill picked up by the company.

For big business the nett effect will be zero, but the shareholders will receive less of a benefit, as our franking credits have been cut by 1.5% but the government gets to keep all of its 1.5% levy.


true and an insightful response.  But t is only true if the profit is paid out in income and dividends. in this case it is ALWAYS the marginal rate that is in play rather than the company rate. in that reagard absolutely nothing has changed. it is and will always be nothing more than a lower tax on retained profits.
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Re: Abbott would cut Company tax rate by 1.5%
Reply #34 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:53pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:53am:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 7:19am:
Cutting company tax by 1.5% will cost $5 billion PA in lost revenue.....The 1.5% tax increase on large companies will be used to pay for most of Abbott's PPL scheme with the rest coming from consolidated revenue.....With no other new taxes or charges how will Abbott fund this thought bubble???

Huh Huh Huh


reduced taxes increases economic activity - that's a proven.  this could end up paying for itself in ironically increased tax revenues and higher employment and income taxes.

this ladies and gentlemen is what a REAL economic stimulus is all about - not throwing money around and hoping some will land in good places.


As a company owner, longy, how many new employees are you going to hire with your 1.5% tax break?

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Reply #35 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:07pm
 
PPL....
Let's see how this works.

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The start date for the company tax cut is designed to coincide with the introduction of the PPL scheme to ensure that the 37,500 businesses paying the levy - those with more than $5 million of revenue, or about one in 20 firms - will not face a net increase in corporate taxes. Smaller firms, which are not subject to the PPL levy, will get a tax cut.


So, 1 in 20 firms are to have a 1.5% levy imposed on company tax to pay for Abbott's PPL.
These same 1 in 20 firms simultaneously receive a 1.5% reduction in company tax as stated.
Ergo......Revenue Neutral!!

The other 19 in 20 firms get a 1.5% company tax reduction, as promised.
Ergo......Revenue Negative!!

All together now.....

Where's the PPL money coming from???

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Reply #36 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:14pm
 
When the countries biggest problem is the fact that government income is going away making more go away is a great idea.

Another $5 Billion unfunded promise to go into the black hole list.
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Reply #37 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:15pm
 
Australias future prosperity is threatened by privately owned companies...we have no hope of competing with China's productivity as long as capitalism is in the workers way....The Australian working class does not have a relationship with capitalism and no longer wants workplace agreements with them but collective agreements with worker owned collectives....
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Re: Abbott would cut Company tax rate by 1.5%
Reply #38 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:38pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:14pm:
When the countries biggest problem is the fact that government income is going away making more go away is a great idea.

Another $5 Billion unfunded promise to go into the black hole list.



You do know debt has spiralled 350% since 2007 right?

If anyone is talking about black holes it is where is all of our fricken' money going???
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Reply #39 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:48pm
 
The Libs voted against the company tax cuts earlier this year and now they want to commit to another unfunded promise...yep MAGIC PUDDING ECONOMICS  Grin
Its no wonder they dont want to answer questions about where the money is coming from  Cheesy
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Re: Abbott would cut Company tax rate by 1.5%
Reply #40 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:57pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:38pm:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:14pm:
When the countries biggest problem is the fact that government income is going away making more go away is a great idea.

Another $5 Billion unfunded promise to go into the black hole list.



You do know debt has spiralled 350% since 2007 right?

If anyone is talking about black holes it is where is all of our fricken' money going???


So you support Abbott making it worse instead of reducing it ????
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Reply #41 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 4:26pm
 
Lobo wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:53pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:53am:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 7:19am:
Cutting company tax by 1.5% will cost $5 billion PA in lost revenue.....The 1.5% tax increase on large companies will be used to pay for most of Abbott's PPL scheme with the rest coming from consolidated revenue.....With no other new taxes or charges how will Abbott fund this thought bubble???

Huh Huh Huh


reduced taxes increases economic activity - that's a proven.  this could end up paying for itself in ironically increased tax revenues and higher employment and income taxes.

this ladies and gentlemen is what a REAL economic stimulus is all about - not throwing money around and hoping some will land in good places.


As a company owner, longy, how many new employees are you going to hire with your 1.5% tax break?

Smiley


as a small business (micro actually) I wont employ anyone else at all but the point is that every but helps.  The money I will save will go to buying extra equipment which will help save other jobs.
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Re: Abbott would cut Company tax rate by 1.5%
Reply #42 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 4:38pm
 
Lobo wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:07pm:
PPL....
Let's see how this works.

Quote:
The start date for the company tax cut is designed to coincide with the introduction of the PPL scheme to ensure that the 37,500 businesses paying the levy - those with more than $5 million of revenue, or about one in 20 firms - will not face a net increase in corporate taxes. Smaller firms, which are not subject to the PPL levy, will get a tax cut.


So, 1 in 20 firms are to have a 1.5% levy imposed on company tax to pay for Abbott's PPL.
These same 1 in 20 firms simultaneously receive a 1.5% reduction in company tax as stated.
Ergo......Revenue Neutral!!

The other 19 in 20 firms get a 1.5% company tax reduction, as promised.
Ergo......Revenue Negative!!

All together now.....

Where's the PPL money coming from???

Cheesy


where did you get the 1 in 20 figure from?  AS a small business owners who knows a lot of other small business owners there are not that many I know with more than $5M revenue.

Granted however I think the revenue figure is the wrong way to go.  A high turnover, low profit business could exceed $5M and be liable but a low turnover high-profit group may not. A Subway Franchise might make $5M turnover (granted prob not!) but have a profit of a mere $50K while a small consultancy might have a revenue of $2M and a profit of $1.9M.

If this particular problem can be better addressed perhaps with a revenue/profit ratio of some other such mechanism I think the idea is good.
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Reply #43 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 4:40pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:48pm:
The Libs voted against the company tax cuts earlier this year and now they want to commit to another unfunded promise...yep MAGIC PUDDING ECONOMICS  Grin
Its no wonder they dont want to answer questions about where the money is coming from  Cheesy


not quite true. Like so much other labor legislation the company tax cuts were linked with a pile of OTHER legislation that was unacceptable  It was pass them all or pass none.

but keep in mind that the GREENS voted against it... just like they vote against everything. How about you give THEM a serve?
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Re: Abbott would cut Company tax rate by 1.5%
Reply #44 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 7:44pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 4:38pm:
Lobo wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 3:07pm:
PPL....
Let's see how this works.

Quote:
The start date for the company tax cut is designed to coincide with the introduction of the PPL scheme to ensure that the 37,500 businesses paying the levy - those with more than $5 million of revenue, or about one in 20 firms - will not face a net increase in corporate taxes. Smaller firms, which are not subject to the PPL levy, will get a tax cut.


So, 1 in 20 firms are to have a 1.5% levy imposed on company tax to pay for Abbott's PPL.
These same 1 in 20 firms simultaneously receive a 1.5% reduction in company tax as stated.
Ergo......Revenue Neutral!!

The other 19 in 20 firms get a 1.5% company tax reduction, as promised.
Ergo......Revenue Negative!!

All together now.....

Where's the PPL money coming from???

Cheesy


where did you get the 1 in 20 figure from? *
AS a small business owners who knows a lot of other small business owners there are not that many I know with more than $5M revenue.**

Granted however I think the revenue figure is the wrong way to go.  A high turnover, low profit business could exceed $5M and be liable but a low turnover high-profit group may not. A Subway Franchise might make $5M turnover (granted prob not!) but have a profit of a mere $50K while a small consultancy might have a revenue of $2M and a profit of $1.9M.

If this particular problem can be better addressed perhaps with a revenue/profit ratio of some other such mechanism I think the idea is good.


* As usual, when one quotes a source and doesn't link it, one can't find it again. Nonetheless, I will keep looking.

**The 1 in 20 figure did NOT refer just to small business, but overall numbers.
Where did you get the idea that it ONLY referred to small business?

The case is STILL that some firms are Revenue Neutral, the others are Revenue Negative.

Where is the PPL cash coming from???

Smiley


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