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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #30 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:41pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:35pm:
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:18pm:
# wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:12pm:
Denial and assertion don't win arguments.



What is it I'm denying?


You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?


Are you accusing me of denying something?

If so, what is it?

See the history. You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?
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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #31 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:55pm
 
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:35pm:
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:18pm:
# wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:12pm:
Denial and assertion don't win arguments.



What is it I'm denying?


You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?


Are you accusing me of denying something?

If so, what is it?

See the history.



Just as I thought.  Nothing.

Another lying troll exposed.

Next!




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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #32 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:57pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:35pm:
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:18pm:
# wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:12pm:
Denial and assertion don't win arguments.



What is it I'm denying?


You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?


Are you accusing me of denying something?

If so, what is it?

See the history.

...
Another lying troll exposed.

Next!

You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?
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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #33 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 2:08pm
 
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:35pm:
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:18pm:
# wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:12pm:
Denial and assertion don't win arguments.



What is it I'm denying?


You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?


Are you accusing me of denying something?

If so, what is it?

See the history.

...
Another lying troll exposed.

Next!

You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?



Too late sonny.

You've been exposed as a lying troll.

And not a very good one at that.

If you want to tell lies young boy, at least have the balls to back them up with something.

This is where you come back with the puerile  "You do realise ... " nonsense.    Wink

Over to you.




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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #34 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 2:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 2:08pm:
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:35pm:
# wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:18pm:
# wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:12pm:
Denial and assertion don't win arguments.



What is it I'm denying?


You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?


Are you accusing me of denying something?

If so, what is it?

See the history.

...
Another lying troll exposed.

Next!

You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?

Too late sonny.
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You do realise that your response is consistent with trolling, don't you?

If your behaviour doesn't change, why should my response? Even cut & paste is more than you're worth.
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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #35 - Aug 24th, 2013 at 9:01pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 1:12pm:
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There has been no warming since 1998, I know it, you know it and the majority of Australians know it.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:18pm:
# wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:12pm:
Denial and assertion don't win arguments.

What is it I'm denying?

What makes you think that I was referring to you?

But now that you mention it:
# wrote on Aug 10th, 2013 at 10:17am:
# wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 4:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 3:29pm:
# wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:32pm:
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Bearing in mind that the vast majority of the best qualified hold a consistent position on Anthropogenic Global Warming, what are your qualifications for denying that there is "enough reliable, credible evidence to support it"?

Is your position scepticism or denial?


Scepticism.

As I've already explained to you, I am completely open-minded: AGW may indeed be happening.

Considering the evidence available at the moment though, I remain sceptical.

So what is your rationale for denying the credibility of the evidence upon which the vast majority of the best qualified rely?

From your failure to respond, I infer that you have no rational basis for your denial.

Given that scepticism is a rational philosophy, if your denial has no rational basis, is it scepticism? If your denial is not scepticism, are you a genuine sceptic?

You can easily establish your credibility by detailing your rationale. If you can't do that, then you might do yourself a favour by examining the reasons for your faith in a belief system that is not supported by the vast majority of the best qualified.

The invitation was repeated at least a couple of times:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/31#31
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/33#33
You repeatedly failed to detail a rational basis for your denial. Your behaviour therefore doesn't qualify as scepticism.

Forum software records your history. Irritating, isn't it?
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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #36 - Aug 25th, 2013 at 10:44am
 
This thread seems to be getting nowhere.  Let's keep to the subject rather than repeated accusations of trolling.
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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #37 - Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:41pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 25th, 2013 at 10:44am:
This thread seems to be getting nowhere.  Let's keep to the subject rather than repeated accusations of trolling.


Exactly muso,

There is no correlation between CO2 & temperature.

History proves that.

CO2 lags temperature by about 800 years.

Case closed.
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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #38 - Aug 26th, 2013 at 11:03pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:41pm:
muso wrote on Aug 25th, 2013 at 10:44am:
This thread seems to be getting nowhere.  Let's keep to the subject rather than repeated accusations of trolling.


Exactly muso,

There is no correlation between CO2 & temperature.

History proves that.

CO2 lags temperature by about 800 years.

Case closed.


Strawman alert. Read what I said on the other threads.
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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #39 - Aug 26th, 2013 at 11:23pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:41pm:
There is no correlation between CO2 & temperature.


Don't be silly

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Reply #40 - Aug 27th, 2013 at 6:02pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 11:23pm:
Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:41pm:
There is no correlation between CO2 & temperature.


Don't be silly

http://www.southwestclimatechange.org/files/cc/figures/icecore_records.preview.j...


Once again a scale of about 400,000 years.

The only scale that might suggest some sort of correlation.

Your alarmist shenanigans have been explained at the OP of this thread.

Right here
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375834924
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Reply #41 - Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:39pm
 
Read through the thread and you'll see that these arguments have been shown to be simplistic strawmen.
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Reply #42 - Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:43pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
Read through the thread and you'll see that these arguments have been shown to be simplistic strawmen.


The sceptics are a militant 'hearts and minds' spam lobby, who think that by having the last word or endlessly producing disingenuous data interpretations that they can sway the 'fence sitters' into buying a few more years of business as usual.

smacking despicable frauds.

Of course the whole process is poisoned by the mechanics of debate. What we really need is to be able to go back, once someone has been shown to have been disingenuous and treat every statement they have made up to that point as suspect and no longer worthy of regard. If they can keep coming back again and again with more and more lies, with no consequences, the process is broken and you are singing to their tune in their propaganda show.
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Reply #43 - Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:49pm
 
On the other hand, he has been given plenty of rope, which he has used quite appropriately.
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Re: Is there any correlation between CO2 & temperature
Reply #44 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:24pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
Read through the thread and you'll see that these arguments have been shown to be simplistic strawmen.


Is there any correlation between CO2 and temperature?



1.....On a small time scale (NO), (11,000 years)


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Showing from 200 to 11000 years ago, the subsequent graph is based on ice core data, readily visible in files hosted on the servers of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA):GISP 2 and EPICA Dome C:


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2.....On a medium time scale YES...????, (450,000 years)

(NO), It appears so because of the scale we are zoomed out at.

This is the scale that most global warming sites use to scare the unsuspecting.


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Over the past few hundred thousand years of ice core data, a “medium” time
scale in this sense, CO2 superficially appears to change in step with
temperature if a graph is so zoomed out as to not show sub-millennial time
scales well:


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A record of temperature and atmospheric CO2 over the past 400,000 years is preserved in the Vostok Ice Core and is shown in the figure on the right.

It can be seen that there have been a series of large fluctuations in temperature (the Ice Ages), accompanied by large changes in atmospheric CO2.

It is thought that these large temperature fluctuations are triggered by Milankovitch cycles - variations in the earth's orbit that change the amount of energy from the sun that reaches us.

However, on their own, these cycles are not enough to explain the changes in temperature.

The full explanation seems to be that the small change in temperature caused by the changing orbit are amplified by natural processes on earth. These cause CO2 to be released from the oceans and the biosphere, causing an increased greenhouse effect.

This is described more fully in this article from the New Scientist (see also Shackleton 2000). For more details on the timing of changes in CO2 and temperature, click on the figure.




3.....On a long time scale (NO), (millions of years)


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