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Reply #15 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:24pm

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:56pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED. but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again. there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

Entire continent !
Exaggeration is your friend aye LW.

Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

find me a country other than Germany that is not in serious financial difficulties in Europe

Holland

Norway

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Reply #16 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:26pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Good news.

Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned.

Well done Kevin.

Lets hope the voters in coal electorates don't realise that Kevin has killed the coal industry a little earlier than he wanted it dead.

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Reply #17 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Good news.

Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned.

Well done Kevin.

despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5

and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt.

Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting.

Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate.

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Reply #18 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:13pm

All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW.

Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming.

Sad

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Reply #19 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:21pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Good news.

Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned.

Well done Kevin.

despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5

and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt.

No it won't. Don't be silly.

Firstly - we don't have a "carbon tax" - we have an emissions trading scheme with a 3 year fixed price period.
Secondly - in the unlikely event we do have an "Abbott Government" - he will still not control the Senate and will not repeal anything.

you are obviously not reading much lately. The strong likelihood is that the Greens will lose two senators and Katter will gain one. If this happens, while Abbott will not have a majority, the balance of power will be held by Mr X and/or the Katter senator. That means the end of the CT in quick order. and the mining tax.

suck it up!

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #20 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:22pm

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Good news.

Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned.

Well done Kevin.

despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5

and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt.

Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting.

Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate.

until july 1 2014...

suck it up!

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #21 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:33pm

FriYAY wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW.

Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming.

Sad

Sad

Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries.

Big market opportunity there. We are letting it go to waste

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Reply #22 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW.

Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming.

Sad

Sad

Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries.

Big market opportunity there. We are letting it go to waste

how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries??

cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business!

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #23 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW.

Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming.

Sad

Sad

Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries.

Big market opportunity there. We are letting it go to waste

how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries??

cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business!

Have you looked up the US Clean Air Act yet?

Remember - you told us that:

there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

When you learn to stop making things up - then maybe someone will take you seriously enough to answer your questions

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Reply #24 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:04pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW.

Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming.

Sad

Sad

Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries.

Big market opportunity there. We are letting it go to waste

how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries??

cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business!

Have you looked up the US Clean Air Act yet?

Remember - you told us that:

there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

When you learn to stop making things up - then maybe someone will take you seriously enough to answer your questions

so show me an example of an ETS that has worked. it should be easy for you since you are so sure you know everything about everything.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #25 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW.

Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming.

Sad

Sad

Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries.

Big market opportunity there. We are letting it go to waste

how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries??

cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business!

Have you looked up the US Clean Air Act yet?

Remember - you told us that:

there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

When you learn to stop making things up - then maybe someone will take you seriously enough to answer your questions

so show me an example of an ETS that has worked. it should be easy for you since you are so sure you know everything about everything.

I already have.

in this thread.

Post #10
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375839740/10#10

What don't you understand?

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Reply #26 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:17pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

All this babbling and you all ignore AGW and the fact emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

You’ll be blabbing on about the pros and cons of this crap market mechanism while the country languishes due to AGW.

Looks like the Greens would rather be seen to be fighting for reducing emissions rather than fight to stave off the affects of AWG, which are surely coming.

Sad

Sad

Yes - you are absolutely correct that emissions are going up up up and increasing populations and 100’s of millions in developing countries are increasing their per capita emissions out-put, ensuring emission will continue to rise.

That is why it is vital that rich countries such as us move to a low carbon economy as quickly as possible so that low carbon technology is available cheaply for developing countries.

Big market opportunity there. We are letting it go to waste

how is it a 'big market opportunity' to invest trillions in these low-carbon developments and then flog them off cheaply to other countries??

cant half tell you've never been anywhere near a business!

Have you looked up the US Clean Air Act yet?

Remember - you told us that:

there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

When you learn to stop making things up - then maybe someone will take you seriously enough to answer your questions

so show me an example of an ETS that has worked. it should be easy for you since you are so sure you know everything about everything.

I already have.

in this thread.

Post #10
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375839740/10#10

What don't you understand?

it isn't an ETS at all your dumb moron! It is the CLEAN AIR ACT, none of which involved a trading system of any kind! do you have the slightest idea what an ETS IS?????

unbelievable stupidity from you.

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Reply #27 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:40pm

Another stupid Policy on the run decision by Kevin Rudd, tying the Carbon Price to Europe is a masterpiece of stupidity, we could be looking at paying double what we are now, which in itself is ludicrous.

Bring on Abbott who will get rid of this iniquitous tax.

Once again Rudd has demonstrated his ability to drop this Country in the deep end of the sh.t.

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Reply #28 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 7:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 6:17pm:

it isn't an ETS at all your dumb moron! It is the CLEAN AIR ACT, none of which involved a trading system of any kind! do you have the slightest idea what an ETS IS?????

unbelievable stupidity from you.

I believe the Americans call it - "cap-and-trade":
http://www.epa.gov/capandtrade/documents/ctresults.pdf

Another name for emissions trading.

It was and is very successful.

You should learn how to read and comprehend before you call people a "dumb moron" and accuse them of "unbelievable stupidity".

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Reply #29 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 7:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Good news.

Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned.

Well done Kevin.

despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5

and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt.

Like that no confidence vote this term ... still waiting.

Abbott can not repeal it because Greens/labor control the senate.

until july 1 2014...

suck it up!

Rather wait for the senate election result, a couple of weeks after the election thanks.

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