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Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: US$61 A Tonne ~ Europeans Lift CO2 Pollution Price Reply #1 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:52am Bad, bad, bad. Australia should abandon the stupid idea of linking the tax to a carbon price we have no control over. Set the tax level, broaden the base it applies to, use the money on renewables and projects like subsidizing household solar/insulation etc.
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Reply #2 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:58am

Climate report warns extreme weather events are now the norm

Climate scientists in the United States say extreme weather events and warming temperatures are the new norm.

The American Meteorological Society has released its annual snapshot of the world's climate, which concludes disastrous weather events like Hurricane Sandy in the US and droughts and floods in Australia, Africa and South America will become more frequent.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-07/climate-report/4869646

Going in hard and fast is the best and cheapest path. The carbon pollution price will rise and rise so to counter.

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Reply #3 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:09pm

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

Going in hard and fast is the best and cheapest path. The carbon pollution price will rise and rise so to counter.

In the real world – world-wide emissions are going up and up as population increases and 100’s of millions of people in developing countries get a taste of wealth and increase their per capita emissions.

To think for one minute this is going to change anything, sets Australia on a dangerous path of not acting to protect the country as climate change effects our country more and more.

Tax pollution use the money to prepare for the onset of AGW and on renewables and subsidies for house holds.

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Reply #4 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:13pm

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

Climate report warns extreme weather events are now the norm

Climate scientists in the United States say extreme weather events and warming temperatures are the new norm.

The American Meteorological Society has released its annual snapshot of the world's climate, which concludes disastrous weather events like Hurricane Sandy in the US and droughts and floods in Australia, Africa and South America will become more frequent.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-07/climate-report/4869646

Going in hard and fast is the best and cheapest path. The carbon pollution price will rise and rise so to counter.

what about the shareholders greed ? Isn't that more important than the climate ?

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Reply #5 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:36pm

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED. but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again. there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

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Reply #6 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED. but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again. there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

Entire continent !
Exaggeration is your friend aye LW.

Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

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Reply #7 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:56pm

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED. but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again. there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

Entire continent !
Exaggeration is your friend aye LW.

Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

find me a country other than Germany that is not in serious financial difficulties in Europe

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Reply #8 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:59pm

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED. but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again. there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

Entire continent !
Exaggeration is your friend aye LW.

Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

not with the ETS. there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #9 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Good news.

Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned.

Well done Kevin.

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Reply #10 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:59pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED. but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again. there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

Entire continent !
Exaggeration is your friend aye LW.

Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

not with the ETS. there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

No - that is 100% wrong.

There are definitely examples of ETS's working very successfully.

The US Clean Air Act implemented an ETS to address increasing pollution and after 40 years of operation is has been a resounding success:

After the Clean Air Act's first 20 years, in 1990, it prevented more than 200,000 premature deaths, and almost 700,000 cases of chronic bronchitis were avoided. Over the last 20 years, total emissions of the six principal air pollutants have decreased by more than 41 percent, while the Gross Domestic Product has increased by more than 64 percent. Through continued innovation and successful implementation, the Clean Air Act will deliver even more benefits over the next 40 years.
http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/40th.html

Please don't post nonsense.

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Reply #11 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Good news.

Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned.

Well done Kevin.

despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5

and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt.

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Reply #12 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:56pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED. but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again. there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

Entire continent !
Exaggeration is your friend aye LW.

Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

find me a country other than Germany that is not in serious financial difficulties in Europe

Holland

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Reply #13 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:11pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

Good news.

Looks like Kev may have called it right by scrapping the fixed price period a year earlier than planned.

Well done Kevin.

despite Greens' wank, the EU price is stil in the order of $5

and anyhow, the CT will be repealed next year by the ABBOTT govt.

No it won't. Don't be silly.

Firstly - we don't have a "carbon tax" - we have an emissions trading scheme with a 3 year fixed price period.
Secondly - in the unlikely event we do have an "Abbott Government" - he will still not control the Senate and will not repeal anything.

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Reply #14 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:59pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

____ wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Switzerland is set to increase its carbon tax from 36 francs to 60 francs per tonne of CO2 (equivalent to $US36 and $US61) in 2014. The move to almost double its price on carbon pollution was announced by the Swiss government last month, after the country missed its emissions reduction target of 8 per cent below 1990 levels at the end of 2012 by a few percentage points.

So looks like Australia's carbon pollution price will rise steeply in the near future.

the interesting thing is that the pervious price which was already huge FAILED. but in the way of the Europeans economic formula, a failed policy just means DOUBLE it and try again. there is a reason why the entire continent except Germany is bankrupt.

Entire continent !
Exaggeration is your friend aye LW.

Market mechanisms work well. Just because Libs support the communist method of Direct Inaction, doesn't mean you should give up on capitalism.

not with the ETS. there are no examples of ETS' actually working anywhere.

Show me another country pushing direct inaction that isn't communistic !!!

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