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Reply #16 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 5:30am

Amazing people are still denying that there has been NO statistically significant warming for 15plus years, and month on month we are seeing cooling global temps.

Finally we are seeing an end of the AGW gravy train of tax payer funded government grant addicted junk scientists spruiking gullible governments the sky is falling (or was that oceans are rising Grin

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #17 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:08am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 11:21pm:

# wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 9:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

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Scientific consensus is not a scientific argument.

It's not even part of the scientific method.
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Are you saying that active scientists are ignorant of scientific method?

No, I'm saying "Scientific consensus is not a scientific argument."

Care to argue that point, or would you rather ignore it ... again?

OK, so you agree that the scientists are familiar with scientific method. The question was of consensus. That's a question of of logic.

First, what is consensus?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consensus 1. majority of opinion

You've already tacitly acknowledged that the majority of the best qualified agree, so there is no argument on that point.

The scientific argument is about the science, not the consensus.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998 Reply #18 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:14am Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 5:30am: Amazing people are still denying that there has been NO statistically significant warming for 15plus years, and month on month we are seeing cooling global temps. ... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375841990/10#10
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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #19 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:48am

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 5:30am:

Amazing people are still denying that there has been NO statistically significant warming for 15plus years, and month on month we are seeing cooling global temps.
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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375841990/10#10

What is the point of referring to your own circular argument of stupidity?

Have a look here and see just how fine and upstanding the mainstream consensus abiding scientific communities really are....(and in the time honoured fashion of the real AGW cultists, conveniently forget it or label it unimportant because you don't like the source Grin

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http://notrickszone.com/2013/08/07/noaa-confirms-model-defying-global-temperature-stagnation-2012-was-among-coolest-in-21st-century/

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998 Reply #20 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:59am Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:48am: ... What is the point ... What would be the point of repeating myself? Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:48am: Have a look here ... Why would I bother with yet another loopy climate science denial site? I'll stick with the mainstream. Enjoy your weird cult.
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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #21 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:04am

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:48am:

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What is the point ...

What would be the point of repeating myself?

Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:48am:

Have a look here ...

Why would I bother with yet another loopy climate science denial site?

I'll stick with the mainstream. Enjoy your weird cult.

Now that is funny. Don't over do it on the Kool Aid today....

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Reply #22 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:33am

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:08am:

The scientific argument is about the science, not the consensus.

And if the science was credible and convincing the AGW disciples wouldn't need anything else.

However, they constantly try to defend their religion with the consensus "argument".

Not good enough.

This is about science, not opinion.

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #23 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:13am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:33am:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:08am:

The scientific argument is about the science, not the consensus.

And if the science was credible and convincing ...

Which it is, to healthy minds. We're going around in circles here.

It's pretty obvious that science confuses you, so let's put it in simpler terms. You're driving a car with your family inside and you come to a bridge. Before the bridge is a sign. The sign says: "97% of our best engineers warn that this bridge is at risk of collapsing. 2% say they're not sure whether it will stay up. 1% say it's fine." What do you do and why?

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #24 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:26am

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:33am:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:08am:

The scientific argument is about the science, not the consensus.

And if the science was credible and convincing ...

Which it is, to healthy minds. We're going around in circles here.

It's pretty obvious that science confuses you, so let's put it in simpler terms. You're driving a car with your family inside and you come to a bridge. Before the bridge is a sign. The sign says: "97% of our best engineers warn that this bridge is at risk of collapsing. 2% say they're not sure whether it will stay up. 1% say it's fine." What do you do and why?

LOL

And now the cult resorts to analogies. Priceless.

If the science was credible and convincing there'd be no need for such childish comparisons.

[x] Consensus
[x] Analogies
[ ] Convincing Scientific Evidence Undecided

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #25 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:30am

Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:04am:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

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I'll stick with the mainstream. Enjoy your weird cult.

Now that is funny. Don't over do it on the Kool Aid today....

Now that is funny. You've subconsciously validated my point.

"Kool Aid" refers to the poisoned drinks served to cult members at Jonestown. http://history1900s.about.com/od/1970s/p/jonestown.htm That cult was hardly a majority. Climate science deniers are a tiny minority. Which of us is imbibing from the poisoned cup?

Remember, the worst case of the risk you insist on taking is the end of all life on the planet.

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #26 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:52am

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:33am:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:08am:

The scientific argument is about the science, not the consensus.

And if the science was credible and convincing ...

Which it is, to healthy minds. We're going around in circles here.

It's pretty obvious that science confuses you, so let's put it in simpler terms. You're driving a car with your family inside and you come to a bridge. Before the bridge is a sign. The sign says: "97% of our best engineers warn that this bridge is at risk of collapsing. 2% say they're not sure whether it will stay up. 1% say it's fine." What do you do and why?

The only difference is that we already know (empirical experience) 97% of all reasons bridges fail. And it is very easy for a group of bridge engineers to inspect and diagnose a bridge - I mean, its just sitting there isn't it....static....not moving....inert......

The opposite is the case for the incredibly variable and diverse weather/climate systems, where we probably are only aware of 3% (random figure to point out how stupid your analogy is) of the mechanisms in place across the globe.

I'm just disappointed you didn't roll out the 'its just like insuring your house' furphy.....because NO its not!

Anyrate, back to the cult for you old matey Grin

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998 Reply #27 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:08am greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:26am: ... If the science was credible and convincing ... I'm neither fool enough to believe that I know better than the vast majority of the best qualified, nor dishonest enough to pretend that I do. Which are you?
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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #28 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:14am

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

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If the science was credible and convincing ...

I'm neither fool enough to believe that I know better than the vast majority of the best qualified, nor dishonest enough to pretend that I do.

Which are you?

I'm a sceptic, with a completely open mind.

There's always the chance that the AGW hypothesis might be correct. I've always said that. Currently though, there's not enough reliable, credible evidence to support it.

So, what are you? Do you believe there is any chance at all that the AGW hypothesis could be wrong?

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #29 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:18am

Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:52am:

... the incredibly variable and diverse weather/climate systems, ...

I'm glad you brought that up. I've looked at the science and come to the conclusion that it's way beyond me. I'm left therefore to decide which opinions are most credible. In my experience, the balance of probabilities favours the majority.

Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:52am:

I'm just disappointed you didn't roll out the 'its just like insuring your house' furphy...

Do you deny that it's a risk management exercise? What are the worst things that could happen?

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