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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #30 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:21am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

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So, what are you? Do you believe there is any chance at all that the AGW hypothesis could be wrong?

All things are possible. The question is one of probabilities. In my experience, the balance of probabilities favours the majority.

Given the risks, I choose those of action over those of inaction.

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #32 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 11:03am

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

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So, what are you? Do you believe there is any chance at all that the AGW hypothesis could be wrong?

All things are possible. The question is one of probabilities. In my experience, the balance of probabilities favours the majority.

Given the risks, I choose those of action over those of inaction.

Well, you seem to be a little more open-minded than most of the cult members. Good.

As far as action goes I have no problem with Governments taking preventative measures, just in case.

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #33 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 11:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

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Well, you seem to be a little more open-minded than most of the cult members. Good.

Thanks, but your reference to "cult members" says otherwise of you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:14am:

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I'm a sceptic, with a completely open mind.
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Are you though? A sceptic is defined http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skeptic as "1. a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual." To do that, you'd need access to all of the facts and the qualifications to interpret them.

When I looked in to global warming, I had to admit deficiencies in both areas. That's why I go with the majority of the best.

Do you have all of the facts? What are your qualifications?

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #34 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:51pm

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

Do you have all of the facts?

"facts" ?

We're talking about climate science here.

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 11:22am:

What are your qualifications?

One does not need any formal qualifications to be a sceptic.

That's your ridiculous assessment, not mine (or anyone else's I would wager).

First your cult wants to condemn all non-members, and now you want to define who can and cannot be sceptical.

No wonder your religion is laughed at so often.

The AGW cult (and that's exactly what it is) needs to stick to the science and stop telling other people what they can and cannot do, and then they just might be taken a little more seriously in the future.

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Reply #35 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:26am:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:33am:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 7:08am:

The scientific argument is about the science, not the consensus.

And if the science was credible and convincing ...

Which it is, to healthy minds. We're going around in circles here.

It's pretty obvious that science confuses you, so let's put it in simpler terms. You're driving a car with your family inside and you come to a bridge. Before the bridge is a sign. The sign says: "97% of our best engineers warn that this bridge is at risk of collapsing. 2% say they're not sure whether it will stay up. 1% say it's fine." What do you do and why?

LOL

And now the cult resorts to analogies. Priceless.

If the science was credible and convincing there'd be no need for such childish comparisons.

[x] Consensus
[x] Analogies
[ ] Convincing Scientific Evidence Undecided

Stop trying to pretend you are a "sceptic" Greggery.
You are a denier. Pure and simple.

You keep going on about no "Convincing Scientific Evidence" - yet you are unable to explain to us which part of the mountain of accumulated scientific evidence is not credible and why you think it is not credible.

It the accumulated evidence that tells us that CO2 is a greenhouse gas "not credible" If so - why?
It the accumulated evidence that tells us that greenhouse gasses re-emit heat to the earth's surface "not credible" If so - why?
It the accumulated evidence that tells us that CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses are increasing in concentration in the atmosphere "not credible" If so - why?
It the accumulated evidence that tells us that the increasing concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is from anthropogenic sources "not credible" If so - why?
It the accumulated evidence that tells us that the amount of downward longwave radiation is increasing "not credible" If so - why?
It the accumulated evidence that tells us that outgoing longwave radiation is decreasing in the same wavelength spectrum as are absorbed by anthropogenic greenhouse gasses "not credible" If so - why?
It the accumulated evidence that tells us that the earth is warming "not credible" If so - why?
It the accumulated evidence that tells us that global glacial mass balance is decreasing "not credible" If so - why?
"not credible"
It the accumulated evidence that tells us that extreme weather events are becoming more likely due to a warming atmosphere "not credible" If so - why?

Which particular piece or pieces of accumulated evidence do you consider to be "not credible" Greggery? And what are you basing that opinion on?

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #36 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

The AGW cult (and that's exactly what it is) needs to stick to the science and stop telling other people what they can and cannot do, and then they just might be taken a little more seriously in the future.

Good advice Greggery.

How about you try to "stick to the science" - rather than just blindly denying that it exists?

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #37 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:01pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Stop trying to pretend you are a "sceptic" Greggery.
You are a denier. Pure and simple.

He we go: another arrogant cult member who thinks they can tell other people what they think or what they are.

I'm a sceptic. I've stated more times than I can remember that there is a chance that AGW could indeed be happening.

That's not a "denier" of anything, by any stretch of the imagination.

By continuing to call me a "denier" you demonstrate both your lack of understanding of the English language and your supercilious nature (which seems to be the price of admission in your cult). It also makes you a blatant liar, and yet you're the one who keeps asking people to apologise for telling lies.

I'm a sceptic bunny.

You said I'm not.

You told a lie to this forum. Why won't you apologise?

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #38 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:03pm

Rider wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 5:30am:

Amazing people are still denying that there has been NO statistically significant warming for 15plus years, and month on month we are seeing cooling global temps.

No - it is not amazing at all.

Because there has been considerable warming of the planet in the past 15 years.
This is beyond doubt - despite what a Daily Mail columnist may have told you

If the planet has not been warming in the past 15 years - why are ocean temperatures increasing?
If the planet has not been warming in the past 15 years - why is the arctic ice cap decreasing?
If the planet has not been warming in the past 15 years - why is global glacial mass balance decreasing?
If the planet has not been warming in the past 15 years - why are sea levels rising?
If the planet has not been warming in the past 15 years - why is the incidence of extreme weather events increasing globally?

“The latest ‘State of the Climate’ report shows that the Earth continues to heat, the atmosphere is heating, the worldwide ice loss continues, and other symptoms of our warming planet march forward, without cessation,” Abraham said. “A lot of people claim that global warming has magically stopped, but the facts, and the Earth, continue to disagree.”
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112917764/global-warming-not-slowing-noaa-...

“Many of the events that made 2012 such an interesting year are part of the long-term trends we see in a changing and varying climate—carbon levels are climbing, sea levels are rising, Arctic sea ice is melting, and our planet as a whole is becoming a warmer place,"
http://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/state-climate-2012-hi...

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #39 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:04pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

The AGW cult (and that's exactly what it is) needs to stick to the science and stop telling other people what they can and cannot do, and then they just might be taken a little more seriously in the future.

Good advice Greggery.

You're welcome.

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #40 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Stop trying to pretend you are a "sceptic" Greggery.
You are a denier. Pure and simple.

He we go: another arrogant cult member who thinks they can tell other people what they think or what they are.

I'm a sceptic. I've stated more times than I can remember that there is a chance that AGW could indeed be happening.

That's not a "denier" of anything, by any stretch of the imagination.

By continuing to call me a "denier" you demonstrate both your lack of understanding of the English language and your supercilious nature (which seems to be the price of admission in your cult). It also makes you a blatant liar, and yet you're the one who keeps asking people to apologise for telling lies.

I'm a sceptic bunny.

You said I'm not.

You told a lie to this forum. Why won't you apologise?

What are you basing your "scepticism" on Greggery?

"Scepticism" does not mean simply denying that evidence exists. That is what you are doing.
That is denial. Not "scepticism"

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #41 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:08pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

"Scepticism" does not mean simply denying that evidence exists. That is what you are doing.

Incorrect.

I have stated on at least a dozen occaisions that the AGW cult has lots of evidence. Heaps of it, in fact.

Check my previous posts.

So, another lie from you.

Why won't you apologise to the forum?

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Reply #42 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:01pm:

By continuing to call me a "denier" you demonstrate both your lack of understanding of the English language and your supercilious nature (which seems to be the price of admission in your cult). It also makes you a blatant liar, and yet you're the one who keeps asking people to apologise for telling lies.

I would apologise Greggery if you could provide some basis for your scepticism other than just blind denial of evidence.

You tell us the evidence is not "credible"
What are you basing this opinion on Greggery?

Is the accumulated evidence that tells us that CO2 is a greenhouse gas "not credible" If so - why?
Is the accumulated evidence that tells us that greenhouse gasses re-emit heat to the earth's surface "not credible" If so - why?
Is the accumulated evidence that tells us that CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gasses are increasing in concentration in the atmosphere "not credible" If so - why?
Is the accumulated evidence that tells us that the increasing concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is from anthropogenic sources "not credible" If so - why?
Is the accumulated evidence that tells us that the amount of downward longwave radiation is increasing "not credible" If so - why?
Is the accumulated evidence that tells us that outgoing longwave radiation is decreasing in the same wavelength spectrum as are absorbed by anthropogenic greenhouse gasses "not credible" If so - why?
Is the accumulated evidence that tells us that the earth is warming "not credible" If so - why?
Is the accumulated evidence that tells us that global glacial mass balance is decreasing "not credible" If so - why?
Is the accumulated evidence that tells us that extreme weather events are becoming more likely due to a warming atmosphere "not credible" If so - why?

What is not "credible" Greggery?
Can you tell us?

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #43 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

I have stated on at least a dozen occaisions that the AGW cult has lots of evidence. Heaps of it, in fact.

Yes. "Heaps of it"

Yet you claim that it is neither "credible or convincing"

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 8:33am:

And if the science was credible and convincing the AGW disciples wouldn't need anything else.

What are you basing that opinion on Greggery? Something you heard Bolty say perhaps?

Can't you explain?

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #44 - Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:18pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

I have stated on at least a dozen occaisions that the AGW cult has lots of evidence. Heaps of it, in fact.

Yes. "Heaps of it"

Yet you claim that it is neither "credible or convincing"

Ah, so you admit now that you lied when you said that I was "simply denying that evidence exists."

Apology accepted.

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