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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #90 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:45am

muso wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

The sun's activities and the temperature of the Earth correlate quite nicely thank you very much.

Actually they don't. False premise alert.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/solact.html

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The measured solar activity is well-correlated with the observed temperature variations, but does not follow the recent upturn in temperature as the originally published plot indicated.

Where did you get that graph from its not an IPCC graph is it?

The sun is responsible for temperature here on Earth not CO2.

CO2 lags temprature by about 800 years therefore how can CO2 drive temperature....????

It never has in the past so why should it now....??????

Check this list out.

(Baliunas & Jastrow 1990)
(Foukal & Lean 1990)
(Friis-Christensen & Lassen 1991)
(Lockwood et al 1992)
(Scuderi 1993)
(Charvatova & Strestik 1995)
(Balinius & Soon 1996-1998)
(Soon et al 1996)
(Hoyt & Schatten 1997)
(Nicola Scaffeta & Bruce J West 2008)

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #91 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:44am

Ajax wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:45am:

Where did you get that graph from its not an IPCC graph is it?

Actually it's from the University of Georgia. Good Southern Baptists. Thought you'd appreciate that.

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The sun is responsible for temperature here on Earth not CO2.

Gross simplification alert. The Earth's temperature is driven by heat input and output. If the output is reduced, heat accumulates resulting in higher global temperatures.

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CO2 lags temprature by about 800 years therefore how can CO2 drive temperature....????

What on earth are you talking about? If they are in the atmosphere, carbon dioxide, water vapour and other greenhouse gases act rapidly to absorb outgoing LW IR radiation, which is then re-radiated in random directions. The net effect is an increase in temperature.

We see the same effect in Winter. Water vapour is a greenhouse gas just like carbon dioxide. If the humidity is low, the nights will be cooler. Why do you think this is? It's because the heat escapes via the radiated Long wave Infrared. If there is rain during the day and the night is more humid, the greenhouse effect of the extra water vapour in the air results in higher night time temperatures.

That's the greenhouse effect in action. There is no 800 year lag. It's the same with carbon dioxide, except that CO2 stays in the atmosphere regardless of ambient temperature.

The greenhouse effect is a result of the innate properties of certain gas molecules to absorb and re-radiate IR from the Earth's surface. Atmospheric Physics 101.

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Check this list out.

(Baliunas & Jastrow 1990)
(Foukal & Lean 1990)
(Friis-Christensen & Lassen 1991)
(Lockwood et al 1992)
(Scuderi 1993)
(Charvatova & Strestik 1995)
(Balinius & Soon 1996-1998)
(Soon et al 1996)
(Hoyt & Schatten 1997)
(Nicola Scaffeta & Bruce J West 2008)

I suppose you're talking about ice cores.

What causes ice ages to start and finish again? Surprise me. What would any climate scientist in the world cite as the reason?

I'll make it easy for you:

A. Variations in Solar Activity caused by Orbital Variations.
B. A release of CO2 into the atmosphere causing warming.
C. Volcanoes
D. God willed them to occur.

Multiple choice. See if you get it right.

Did you enjoy it? Ok Here's another.

What do climate scientists say causes increases in Global temperature from time to time?

A. Always CO2
B. Always Water vapour
C. Always Solar Activity (orbital and other factors)
D. A combination of these factors and others, and the causes are not always the same.

Well?

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #92 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 1:19pm

Its all there champ just have a look.

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Here is some of many.

(Baliunas & Jastrow 1990)
(Foukal & Lean 1990)
(Friis-Christensen & Lassen 1991)
(Lockwood et al 1992)
(Scuderi 1993)
(Charvatova & Strestik 1995)
(Balinius & Soon 1996-1998)
(Soon et al 1996)
(Hoyt & Schatten 1997)
(Nicola Scaffeta & Bruce J West 2008)

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #93 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 1:20pm

Peaks and troughs all part of the natural cycle of the Earth.

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Figure 2 shows the following periods for relative global cooling and warming phases:

1. 30-years of global cooling from 1880 to 1910
2. 30-years of global warming from 1910 to 1940
3. 30-years of global cooling from 1940 to 1970
4. 30-years of global warming from 1970 to 2000

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998 Reply #94 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 3:49pm Ajax wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 1:20pm: Peaks and troughs all part of the natural cycle of the Earth. ... http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #95 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:06pm

# wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 1:20pm:

Peaks and troughs all part of the natural cycle of the Earth.
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Hey dude #

We all know skeptical science is to the AGW religion what the Vatican is to catholics.

And we all know that the disciples over at skeptical science have Al Gore as their messiah.

Hence their name algorians.

Sorry dude you really have to come up with a better source than the global warming extremist blog skeptical science.

The Antropogenic Global Warming Prophet Al Gore

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In March of 2012, the climate alarmist website Skeptical Science had their forums "hacked" and the contents posted online. In a forum thread titled, "Got a call from Al Gore's people today" John Cook proudly posted,

"This morning, had a long skype call with a guy working with Al Gore's Climate Reality Project. [...] He brought up the possibility of a partnership. [...] an exciting opportunity and another vindication of what we're doing" - John Cook [Skeptical Science], September 27, 2011

http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/09/skeptical-science-partnership-with-al.h...

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #96 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:35pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

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We all know skeptical science is to the AGW religion what the Vatican is to catholics.
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Web of Trust gives skepticalscience.com a high trust rating. Most of us, it seems recognise the site as a high quality resource, based on peer-reviewed science.

Unless, "we all" is your poor deluded group of one.

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #97 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:47pm

# wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

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We all know skeptical science is to the AGW religion what the Vatican is to catholics.
...

Web of Trust gives skepticalscience.com a high trust rating. Most of us, it seems recognise the site as a high quality resource, based on peer-reviewed science.

Unless, "we all" is your poor deluded group of one.

" ... they tell you how much other users trust this site."

Did you honestly think that the AGW disciples who use the site were going to say that they don't trust it?

No wonder you're so quick to fall under the spell of the AGW religion.

While I've got your attention ...

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #98 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 2:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

# wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

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We all know skeptical science is to the AGW religion what the Vatican is to catholics.
...

Web of Trust gives skepticalscience.com a high trust rating. Most of us, it seems recognise the site as a high quality resource, based on peer-reviewed science.

Unless, "we all" is your poor deluded group of one.

" ... they tell you how much other users trust this site."

Did you honestly think that the AGW disciples who use the site were going to say that they don't trust it?

All are welcome to contribute their input. A site isn't given a reputation rating until a substantial number of users have contributed.

Ajax wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

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We all know ...

I provided evidence that he's wrong, unless the "we" to whom he refers is the tiny minority who deny climate science..

The fact that the vast majority deem Skeptical Science trustworthy is enough for me (and any healthy mind). A committed climate science denier, such as yourself*, (or a troll) will deny of course.

By the way, Skeptical Science is an example of true scepticism. It takes into account all of the evidence.

* bearing in mind that you've repeatedly failed to substantiate your "sceptic" claim

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #99 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 6:41pm

Skeptical science preach the religion we have all come to know as

Antropogenic Global Warming.

Its an alarmist blog with ties to Al Gore.

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In March of 2012, the climate alarmist website Skeptical Science had their forums "hacked" and the contents posted online. In a forum thread titled, "Got a call from Al Gore's people today" John Cook proudly posted,

"This morning, had a long skype call with a guy working with Al Gore's Climate Reality Project. [...] He brought up the possibility of a partnership. [...] an exciting opportunity and another vindication of what we're doing" - John Cook [Skeptical Science], September 27, 2011

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998 Reply #100 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:07pm Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 6:41pm: ... Its an alarmist blog with ties to Al Gore. ... Yet, outside the tiny minority who deny climate science, it has a good reputation. You have belief; I have a majority.
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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #101 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:10pm

# wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

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Its an alarmist blog with ties to Al Gore.
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Yet, outside the tiny minority who deny climate science, it has a good reputation. You have belief; I have a majority.

Dude I think you'll find that the majority of Australian DONOT believe in Antropogenic Global Warming.

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #102 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:20pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

# wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

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Its an alarmist blog with ties to Al Gore.
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Yet, outside the tiny minority who deny climate science, it has a good reputation. You have belief; I have a majority.

Dude I think you'll find that the majority of Australian DONOT believe in Antropogenic Global Warming.

You'll find that you can't substantiate that.

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Re: There has been no warming since the year 1998
Reply #103 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:40pm

# wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

# wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

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Its an alarmist blog with ties to Al Gore.
...

Yet, outside the tiny minority who deny climate science, it has a good reputation. You have belief; I have a majority.

Dude I think you'll find that the majority of Australian DONOT believe in Antropogenic Global Warming.

You'll find that you can't substantiate that.

From about 25 people at work 2 believe in AGW.

From my friends NONE.

From my family NONE.

If so many people believe in AGW, why not put it to the vote at these elections.

Well we kinda are in a way because Abbott said he would get rid of it, but that could also be because people have had a gut full of the labor green government.

That's why the labor/green government never put it to a vote.

Because the majority of Australian would've rejected it.

Even though they keep telling us the majority want it...??

How do they know...????

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