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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #30 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:39am
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Reply #32 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:44am

Yadda wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously.

I haven't come across such a person yet.

Every single apologist for ISLAM/moslems [which must include moslems themselves too] which i have ever come across, 'reasons' in exactly the same way as a moslem does;

Right. So the Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Dalai Lama, the Queen, Barack Obama, David Cameron, most religious and political world leaders - all are guilty of Moslem appeasement.

Unreasoning, illogical, denial of truth.

Good call, Y.

Who shall abide in thy tabernacle? Who shall dwell in thy holy hill?

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Reply #33 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 10:32pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:44am:

Right. So the Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Dalai Lama, the Queen, Barack Obama, David Cameron, most religious and political world leaders - all are guilty of Moslem appeasement.

Of course K. Even MI5 is - because they wrote a report in which they dared say that islamic extremists are less likely to be regular mosque goers (and in fact, the mosque and mainstream islam is more likely to deter extremism, not make it more likely). Therefore MI5 has been infiltrated by islamists. Yadda said it right here.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #34 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 10:29am Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 2:47pm: Soren wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 8:14pm: Show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously. I am both sane and I take Islam very seriously, Soren. Oh really? SO which Islamic tenets do you actually live by? Or are you not taking it that seriously?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #35 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 2:13pm you miss his point Soren. You also take islam very seriously - otherwise you wouldn't be so obsessed with bashing it all the time.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #36 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 3:08pm I think you miss my point. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376013300/22#22 My point wasn't about it's dangers.
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Reply #37 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 4:49pm

Soren wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously.

It's a joke. It worked 800-1000 years ago but now - it's a stupid joke. It is as anachronistic as you can possibly get in this age.
Islam is not of this age.

To put it in your terms Soren, Jediism is also a joke - but if there were 1.5 billion of them across the world, creating a massive political movement that is at the centre of political upheaval and violence across the world - you would be insane not to take it seriously.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #38 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 11:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously.

It's a joke. It worked 800-1000 years ago but now - it's a stupid joke. It is as anachronistic as you can possibly get in this age.
Islam is not of this age.

To put it in your terms Soren, Jediism is also a joke - but if there were 1.5 billion of them across the world, creating a massive political movement that is at the centre of political upheaval and violence across the world - you would be insane not to take it seriously.

You still don't get it - very Islamic of you, that.
Here's the long version for you and all other literalistic, legalistic Muslims and wannabe Muslims:
Show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously as a compass for his own existence, as a guide to and sustainer of his own and his contemporaries' ethical, moral, spiritual, philosophical, imaginative, theological life.

The Koran and Islam are so obviously fraudulent and exploitative that taking them seriously, even with allowances for the inevitable serene bits, is just ridiculous.

None of this means, of course, that the million of people who do take Islam as a guide to life are not to be taken seriously as threats to civilisation insofar as they are partisans of Islam.

Your silly hair splitting on this is as good an example as any of Islam's excrutiating rationality. rationality not in the sense of reasonableness - Islam lacks reasonableness (ie compromise with particular circumstances) to a a startling degree - but in the sense of excessively legalistic, black-letter, cold and de-contextualised reasoning to the letter of the law.

In this it is a parody of Judaism, which is also concerned with the law but which is forever being interpreted and re-contextualised. And of course it is completely alien to the Christian view which emphasises the importance of sense (and context) over the rigidity of the (rabbinical, Koranic, black-letter) law.i

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Reply #39 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 11:27pm

Soren wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously.

It's a joke. It worked 800-1000 years ago but now - it's a stupid joke. It is as anachronistic as you can possibly get in this age.
Islam is not of this age.

To put it in your terms Soren, Jediism is also a joke - but if there were 1.5 billion of them across the world, creating a massive political movement that is at the centre of political upheaval and violence across the world - you would be insane not to take it seriously.

You still don't get it - very Islamic of you, that.
Here's the long version for you and all other literalistic, legalistic Muslims and wannabe Muslims:
Show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously as a compass for his own existence, as a guide to and sustainer of his own and his contemporaries' ethical, moral, spiritual, philosophical, imaginative, theological life.

The Koran and Islam are so obviously fraudulent and exploitative that taking them seriously, even with allowances for the inevitable serene bits, is just ridiculous.

None of this means, of course, that the million of people who do take Islam as a guide to life are not to be taken seriously as threats to civilisation insofar as they are partisans of Islam.

Your silly hair splitting on this is as good an example as any of Islam's excrutiating rationality. rationality not in the sense of reasonableness - Islam lacks reasonableness (ie compromise with particular circumstances) to a a startling degree - but in the sense of excessively legalistic, black-letter, cold and de-contextualised reasoning to the letter of the law.

In this it is a parody of Judaism, which is also concerned with the law but which is forever being interpreted and re-contextualised. And of course it is completely alien to the Christian view which emphasises the importance of sense (and context) over the rigidity of the (rabbinical, Koranic, black-letter) law.

Partisans.

I like that word.

It is a 'descriptive', honest word.

Dictionary;
partisan = =
. n.
1 a strong supporter of a party, cause, or person.
2 a member of an armed group fighting secretly against an occupying force.
· adj.
prejudiced in favour of a particular cause.

'Serious' moslems, are almost always 'legalistic', in their sophistry, imo.

The form of words used, is always important to the moslem.

But the 'communication' itself, is almost always insincere and deceptive - untrustworthy, imo.

Moslems, Kuffars, every one, imo.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #40 - Aug 13^th, 2013 at 11:39pm

Soren wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

Show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously as a compass for his own existence, as a guide to and sustainer of his own and his contemporaries' ethical, moral, spiritual, philosophical, imaginative, theological life.

I understand thats what you meant Soren. However you still fail to understand that thats not what Brian meant when he says he takes islam seriously. Thats where your problem is.

And you also take islam seriously, as does Yadda and Baron, and all the other islamophobes here. You hate and fear islam because you are terrified it will either blow you up on a airplane, or force you to adopt sharia law. Thats why you are here all the time attempting to "outsmart" muslims and the islamic faith. Otherwise you wouldn't be dedicating so much time here trying to prove something to yourself. So please don't give me that schtick that you don't take it seriously.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #41 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 11:39pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

Show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously as a compass for his own existence, as a guide to and sustainer of his own and his contemporaries' ethical, moral, spiritual, philosophical, imaginative, theological life.

I understand thats what you meant Soren. However you still fail to understand that thats not what Brian meant when he says he takes islam seriously. Thats where your problem is.

Oh, I see!
It was one of those "my answer is to change the subject and/or the meaning of what was said".

Brain faid you fail to understand that I was not making a point about any possible ways in which Brain is taking anything seriously.

My point was: "show me a sane person who takes Islam seriously as a compass for his own existence, as a guide to and sustainer of his own and his contemporaries' ethical, moral, spiritual, philosophical, imaginative, theological life."

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #42 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:49pm Well, there's not much I can say if you are that determined to twist Brian's words around so as to create a strawman you can hack down. I'm just explaining that what you are talking about now is not what Brian was talking about.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Islamophobes retarded? Reply #43 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 6:02pm Gandalf, Soren has been trying to explain his own view, not anyone else's.
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Reply #44 - Aug 14^th, 2013 at 6:12pm

Soren was attempting to rebut Brian's claim that he takes Islam "seriously" - by challenging him to cite which islamic tenets he lives by. He is clearly confused in thinking that taking islam "seriously" must necessarily involve adhering to the tenets of islam - as opposed to not trivialising a mass religion that includes 20% of the world, and has enormous global political reach.

I don't care what he thinks about what "sane people" must think about the tenets of islam - I was only pointing out that that strawman wasn't based upon anything that Brian said - as he originally thought. I also added my spiel about the fact that islamophobes like Soren, who are so obsessed with coming here to bash islam, also take islam seriously - otherwise they wouldn't be here.

How about you FD - do you take islam seriously?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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