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Reply #90 - Aug 19th, 2013 at 1:34am
 
What are you actually referring to Quantum? That little scenario seems to bear absolutely no relation to what I just said about Turkey.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #91 - Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:48pm
 
Cory Bernardi: Violently, Ferociously Dumb.


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Last year, a guy called Cory Bernardi, who worked as a secretary to Tony Abbott, was sacked after he made some pretty offensive comments in which he claimed that legalising same-sex marriage would definitely lead to the legalisation of polygamy and bestiality. For some reason, he recently decided to again draw attention to himself by more or less saying the same thing. Pretty intelligent move, right? I mean if I lost a job working for a fairly prominent politician by saying something really stupid, I know that ‘saying the same really stupid thing again’ would totally by on MY to-do list.

Now, it’s pretty obvious to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence that legally allowing gay people to recognise their relationship isn’t even remotely the same thing as making it legally ok for people to rape animals. Why Cory Bernardi didn’t seem to get this lack of connection is beyond me – but you know, whatever.

Cory Bernardi is pretty interesting though – he’s got links with Geert Wilders, hates Islam (which may or may not be a defensible position, except that he’s admitted that he doesn’t actually know anything about it)  , denies climate change and is just in general a bit of a wanker (as his quote about marriage equality kinda indicates).

Personally, I’ve never been a big fan of the ‘slippery slope’ argument, because it’s kind of a load of poo. Just because you legalise one thing does not mean that you’ll later legalise another – for example, the idea of divorce in Tudor England, whilst now fairly common, hasn’t led to the demise of marriage as we know it.

I don’t really want to go into the ‘slippery slope,’ though (unless you wanna talk about A Series of Unfortunate Events, in which case bring it on), because it’s old and stupid (kinda like Cory Bernardi, I suppose). What I’d like to talk about here is the idea that if marriage equality further down the track leads to the legalisation of polyamorous marriage, that’d be a really bad thing.

Now obviously if you’re Christian (not that I’m saying Christians are bad by singling them out, but they’re without question the most powerful religious group in Australia), then you’re probably not going to be a big fan of polygamy. Fair enough, do what God says etc. But I think the religious thing has also been covered – just because you’re religious doesn’t mean that everyone else has to be. Great, let’s move on.

I don’t really see what the problem with having a polyamorous relationship is. Obviously if you’ve never been in one (I haven’t, and I probably won’t be) then the logistics are probably a bit complicated…but nobody’s forcing you to try one out, so whatever.

Really though, there’s nothing particularly wrong with the idea of a polyamorous relationship, except for all of the so-called problems also raised by opponents of marriage equality (you know – ‘it’s not natural,’ ‘it’s for the children’ etc). Whilst that’s fair enough, and those reasons may be totally valid (they’re not, bugger off) it kinda just means that the only people you’re actually going to be reaching are already on your side – preaching to the converted, if you will.

So really, not only has Bernardi once again managed to make himself look like a total twat, but he’s also not really achieved anything for his cause, because I highly, highly doubt there’s a single thing he could say about polygamy which is actually a valid argument. With that said, though, he’s never before worried about the validity of his arguments, so I can’t imagine that he’ll start now.

http://orangepost.com.au/cory-bernardi-violently-ferociously-dumb/
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Reply #92 - Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:00pm
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
http://orangepost.com.au/cory-bernardi-violently-ferociously-dumb/

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Is this sort of person your moral guide to life? is this where you get your bearings from?

No wonder you say the stupidest things.

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Reply #93 - Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:35pm
 
Key difference Soren - Cory Bernardi is not a misunderstood, badly smeared great statesman, who begat one of the greatest empires the world has seen. He's just an insignificant douchebag who made it to parliament purely on the back of the liberal brand.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #94 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 1:59pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 2:00am:
freediver wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 10:16pm:
here is no way we are the tenth largest economy in the world.


12th actually (2012) - not far off.

Soren wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 9:48pm:
But of course Islam has nuffin' to do wiv most of them being sh!t. It's something completely unrelated to Islam. A massive, inexplicable coincidence, if not conspiracy.
Must be.


Often it does - such as the wahabists in the Gulf countries, and the Ayatollahs in Iran. But often its because its secular anti-islamic regimes in charge - Syria, Iraq under Saddam,Egypt under Mubarak.

Soren wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 10:54pm:
Show me a peaceful, well-adjusted, harmonious Muslim society


The trick here is to use undefinable and meaningless words like "peaceful", "well adjusted" and "harmonious". What does that mean Soren? It can mean whatever the bugger you want it to mean.

Indonesia (the largest muslim country), is on any measure a great success story in the last decade or so. It is currently the 16th largest economy in the world, and is expected to grow rapidly in the coming years. It is a thriving secular democracy, where extremism is overwhelmingly rejected. Turkey, a country that is 98% muslim, has created a vibrant secular democracy, where islamism is vigorously opposed. Two muslim countries that by anyone's estimation would be considered "peaceful", "well adjusted" and "harmonious".


Indonesia has all the Muslim tensions you do not want to wish for (Aceh, embassy bombings, corruption on an epic scale, the memory of the utter savagery of Muslims in East Timor, and so on).
Turkey - well, it is becoming a turkey. It is increasingly islamicised under Erdogan and the Kurds are not playing ball. Banks and other public places are bombed. There is an enourmous effort of ruination rallying against the supposed secularist Turkish tradition.

Come to think of it, your attempt to make Turkey an example of Muslim success is based on Turkey's prominent past attempt at being non-Islamic.

So it turn out that your only example of successful Islam is Indonesia - which is laughable.

Back to the drawing board, Gandy. Any Muslims countries out of the 54 possibles that have a fainly desirable society where you could see your own children, rooted in Islam, flourishing?

No. You want your children to be in kuffar-land but nevertheless bang on, like TC, about its evils. This is bigoted and chauivistic.




Ah, my friend, you neglect to mention the fine nation of Pakistan.

It is a nation very close to my heart, as it were. One could say it is the source of all knowledge in our field of Pakistani studies, isn’t it.

Will you be attending the conference in September?
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Reply #95 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:37pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:35pm:
Key difference Soren - Cory Bernardi is not a misunderstood, badly smeared great statesman, who begat one of the greatest empires the world has seen.


Begat, not created.
Are you reading the Bible?
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Reply #96 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 3:49pm
 
begat is perfectly appropriate
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Reply #97 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 10:09pm
 
LOL


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Reply #98 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 6:48pm
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 8:48pm:
Cory Bernardi: Violently, Ferociously Dumb.


http://orangepost.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/cory-motor-cycle-380x275-300...

Last year, a guy called Cory Bernardi, who worked as a secretary to Tony Abbott, was sacked after he made some pretty offensive comments in which he claimed that legalising same-sex marriage would definitely lead to the legalisation of polygamy and bestiality. For some reason, he recently decided to again draw attention to himself by more or less saying the same thing. Pretty intelligent move, right? I mean if I lost a job working for a fairly prominent politician by saying something really stupid, I know that ‘saying the same really stupid thing again’ would totally by on MY to-do list.

Now, it’s pretty obvious to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence that legally allowing gay people to recognise their relationship isn’t even remotely the same thing as making it legally ok for people to rape animals. Why Cory Bernardi didn’t seem to get this lack of connection is beyond me – but you know, whatever.

Cory Bernardi is pretty interesting though – he’s got links with Geert Wilders, hates Islam (which may or may not be a defensible position, except that he’s admitted that he doesn’t actually know anything about it)  , denies climate change and is just in general a bit of a wanker (as his quote about marriage equality kinda indicates).

Personally, I’ve never been a big fan of the ‘slippery slope’ argument, because it’s kind of a load of poo. Just because you legalise one thing does not mean that you’ll later legalise another – for example, the idea of divorce in Tudor England, whilst now fairly common, hasn’t led to the demise of marriage as we know it.

I don’t really want to go into the ‘slippery slope,’ though (unless you wanna talk about A Series of Unfortunate Events, in which case bring it on), because it’s old and stupid (kinda like Cory Bernardi, I suppose). What I’d like to talk about here is the idea that if marriage equality further down the track leads to the legalisation of polyamorous marriage, that’d be a really bad thing.

Now obviously if you’re Christian (not that I’m saying Christians are bad by singling them out, but they’re without question the most powerful religious group in Australia), then you’re probably not going to be a big fan of polygamy. Fair enough, do what God says etc. But I think the religious thing has also been covered – just because you’re religious doesn’t mean that everyone else has to be. Great, let’s move on.

I don’t really see what the problem with having a polyamorous relationship is. Obviously if you’ve never been in one (I haven’t, and I probably won’t be) then the logistics are probably a bit complicated…but nobody’s forcing you to try one out, so whatever.

Really though, there’s nothing particularly wrong with the idea of a polyamorous relationship, except for all of the so-called problems also raised by opponents of marriage equality (you know – ‘it’s not natural,’ ‘it’s for the children’ etc). Whilst that’s fair enough, and those reasons may be totally valid (they’re not, bugger off) it kinda just means that the only people you’re actually going to be reaching are already on your side – preaching to the converted, if you will.

So really, not only has Bernardi once again managed to make himself look like a total twat, but he’s also not really achieved anything for his cause, because I highly, highly doubt there’s a single thing he could say about polygamy which is actually a valid argument. With that said, though, he’s never before worried about the validity of his arguments, so I can’t imagine that he’ll start now.

http://orangepost.com.au/cory-bernardi-violently-ferociously-dumb/


TC do you support gay marriage?

The irony is that we have had Muslims here on this board say the same stupid thing about it.
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Reply #99 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 10:16pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:35pm:
a misunderstood, badly smeared great statesman, who begat one of the greatest empires the world has seen.



You are not referring to Muhammed, I hope. 'A misunderstood great statesman'.

Mohammed is now misunderstood???   You are not suggesting that Mohammed and all his utterances and deeds are open to... * gulp * ... free and open-minded interpretation??

Shurely shome mishtake - sorry - mishundershtanding.


Reasoning to prevail in Islam? Apostasy itself.

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Reply #100 - Aug 26th, 2013 at 6:50pm
 
Pat Condell on the misuse of the term 'Islamophobia'.



I'm pleased to learn from this second video that the majority in Britain believe that Islam in Britain is a continuing pain in the arse, and that Britain's Muslims should be living in a Muslim country ~ not in the British homeland.


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Reply #101 - Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:02pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:35pm:
Key difference Soren - Cory Bernardi is not a misunderstood, badly smeared great statesman, who begat one of the greatest empires the world has seen. He's just an insignificant douchebag who made it to parliament purely on the back of the liberal brand.



Back to the drawing board, Gandy. Any Muslims countries out of the 54 possibles that have a faintly desirable society where you could see your own children, rooted in Islam, flourishing?

No. You want your children to be in kuffar-land but nevertheless bang on, like TC, about its evils. This is bigoted and chauivistic.
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Reply #102 - Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:07pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:02pm:
[quote author=gandalf link=1376013300/93#93 date=1376912101]


Back to the drawing board, Gandy. Any Muslims countries out of the 54 possibles that have a faintly desirable society where you could see your own children, rooted in Islam, flourishing?

No. You want your children to be in kuffar-land but nevertheless bang on, like TC, about its evils. This is bigoted and chauivistic.


Not to mention hypocritical to the highest degree.




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Reply #103 - Aug 27th, 2013 at 7:53pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:02pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:35pm:
Key difference Soren - Cory Bernardi is not a misunderstood, badly smeared great statesman, who begat one of the greatest empires the world has seen. He's just an insignificant douchebag who made it to parliament purely on the back of the liberal brand.



Back to the drawing board, Gandy. Any Muslims countries out of the 54 possibles that have a faintly desirable society where you could see your own children, rooted in Islam, flourishing?

No. You want your children to be in kuffar-land but nevertheless bang on, like TC, about its evils. This is bigoted and chauivistic.


Gandy and TR - RSVP.
Silence is merely proof of your evasion and taquiya.

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Reply #104 - Aug 27th, 2013 at 8:09pm
 
Actually Soren, we are currently in Malaysia. We visit every year. I'm happy for my family to call it a second home. I would be more than happy to bring my family up here if the opportunity arises. But I guess on any other day this statement would cause you lot to call me a traitor to my country right? I guess we can never win.  Sad

Come to think of it, when have I ever "banged on" about the evilness of Australia? I seem to recall repeatedly extolling its virtues, and expressing my pride at being Australian. I have also opined in a recent thread that Australia is the greatest country in the world. While its funny in a way that I once again expose yet another idiotic statement of yours, it does leave a somewhat sour taste in my mouth that you seem to require this proof of loyalty from me.

Soren, why is it that you never pause and think before spewing your vitriol?
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