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Reply #60 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:42pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Both candidates pitched to the wealthy ruling class on the far right wing, neither had a progressive vision of equality for Australias future...I was very disappointed...

This.

matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

I'm actually going to have to say that Abbott won that.

Of course you are, cheerleaders don't get to choose which team they barrack for on the night.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #61 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:43pm matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:33pm: I'm actually going to have to say that Abbott won that. Well if he wins the election just like he "won" that debate then we will be looking at Rudd as PM.
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Reply #62 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:44pm

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner.

Not according to the audience, though.

I watched on Sky, and David speers said that the audience ambience was that Abbott won. Channel 9 had 55-45 to abbott, channel 7 had 65-35 to Abbott.

The people who think that Rudd won are in the minority.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #63 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:44pm Its a shame that in a right wing bourgeoisie middle class dictatorship that we have no progressive social democratic voice in our political debate on a night like this...
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #64 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:45pm Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:38pm: matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:33pm: I'm actually going to have to say that Abbott won that. Either you watched a different debate, or you're delusional. Laurie Oakes thinks Abbott won. I think he is more informed than you.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40774 Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #65 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:47pm CW - Quote: .........progressive social democratic ...... I recall rudd using a similar gobbledogook like that when pretending he was howard lite.
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Re: Who will win/won debate
Reply #66 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:48pm

ian wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

I watched this on 10 and they had a beleivability percentage rating from the public. Abbotts never got out of the 40's while Rudds never went out of the 50's and reached 60 percent at one stage. Abbott looked like a deer caught in the headlights most of the time and really showed that he was an intellectual lightwieght. Rudd demolished him, totally.

Yes - Rudd clearly won.

Abbott had talk about building a stronger Australia but no details.
Rudd was full of waffle about what?

The whole debate was disappointing.

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #67 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:49pm Michael Kroger, Kieran Gilbert, David Speers, Andrew Bolt and the great Laurie Oakes have all said that Abbott won. A snap channel 7 poll says 68-32 to Abbott.
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Reply #68 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:49pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:03pm:

The 'worm' is of interest. Even before either one has said jack poo it goes from 'like' to 'dislike,' 'dislike' if Rudd is about to speak, and 'like,' if Abbott is about to speak. Watch for yourself.

Cheesy

You noticed, too?

I was just going to comment on it when I saw your post.

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!! As soon as Abbott stops, the worm plummets, even before Rudd has spoken a word.

Poor old manipulated worm. Anyone else like me get asked by the local LNP and the PUP to play with the worm?

my channel 9 worm is doing the exact opposite. Rudd opens his mouth to speak and it goes up.

NOTED !

And CH7 IS the mirrored result

( ... I think "the worm" can be discarded)

So WHO declares the "official winner" ?

the worm is always pretty pointless.

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Reply #69 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:49pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:47pm:

CW - Quote:

.........progressive social democratic ......

I recall rudd using a similar gobbledogook like that when pretending he was howard lite.

so progressive social democrat and liberal democrat are meaningless concepts to you on your radar of semantics and intellectual reductionism...?

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Re: Who will win/won debate
Reply #71 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:51pm

salad in wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

I noticed when same sex marriage was discussed by Rudd there was a 70% dislike, and yet last years Galaxy Poll on the issue showed there was 65% popular support for the concept.

Please hide that startling fact from Greens_Win. He/she is certain that same sex marriage trumps health care, care for the aged, homelessness, education and all other unimportant things.

I better add.....that was the Ch. 7 worm.

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Re: Who will win/won debate
Reply #72 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:52pm

matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner.

Not according to the audience, though.

I watched on Sky, and David speers said that the audience ambience was that Abbott won. Channel 9 had 55-45 to abbott, channel 7 had 65-35 to Abbott.

The people who think that Rudd won are in the minority.

Sky, 9 and 7 aren't independant, impartial news vendors.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40774 Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #73 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:53pm Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:50pm: More money should have been promised to boat people. promised to do what to the illegals ? Sink them would suit me
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Re: Who will win/won debate
Reply #74 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:54pm

Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories).

Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling.

Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight.

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Question: Who will win/won tonight's debate
Tony Abbott was the clear winner 11 (57.9%) Kevin castrati rudd thanks to media bias 7 (36.8%) The cut on castratis face 1 (5.3%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Merlin on: Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:07am »