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Postmodern Trendoid Gold Member Offline International socialist Posts: 892 Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #75 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:56pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:53pm: Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:50pm: More money should have been promised to boat people. promised to do what to the illegals ? Sink them would suit me The welfare of boat people trumps that of Australians.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #76 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:59pm the studio audience looked pretty much like a collection of 35s and unders. Hardly a balanced group.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #77 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:00pm Rudd certainly didnt win. I think it was more of a draw and Rudd needed far more to get any momentum.
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Reply #78 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:03pm

matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner.

Not according to the audience, though.

I watched on Sky, and David speers said that the audience ambience was that Abbott won. Channel 9 had 55-45 to abbott, channel 7 had 65-35 to Abbott.

The people who think that Rudd won are in the minority.

Only the rusted-on leftards on this Forum think Krudd won. Tony Abbott thrashed him and without referring to notes as Krudd did, the cheat!

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Reply #79 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:05pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories).

Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling.

Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight.

I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said. Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out. He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim.

I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #80 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:07pm Kevin Rudd won it. Not by any real knockout blow though. I absolutely expected him to, he is a more polished orator in front of the camera and an audience. Probably worth pointing out Turnbull would have wiped the floor with both of them but we don't have that choice.
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Reply #81 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Rudd certainly didnt win. I think it was more of a draw and Rudd needed far more to get any momentum.

I agree that it was more important for Rudd to win than Abbott, but I think that it was a clear Abbott win. Rudd looked to be lacking in confidence and out of sorts. Above all, he looked fake, and had to read from notes. Abbott didn't take notes, look confident and fresh.

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Reply #82 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:08pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories).

Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling.

Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight.

I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said. Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out. He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim.

I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation.

Abbott has repeatedly said there wil be no GST change and that any such things in the future will be taken to an election.

And this from the party that said unequivocally that there would be no carbon tax!

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Reply #83 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:09pm

Neferti wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

matty wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

according to Laurie Oakes, Abbott was the winner.

Not according to the audience, though.

I watched on Sky, and David speers said that the audience ambience was that Abbott won. Channel 9 had 55-45 to abbott, channel 7 had 65-35 to Abbott.

The people who think that Rudd won are in the minority.

Only the rusted-on leftards on this Forum think Krudd won. Tony Abbott thrashed him and without referring to notes as Krudd did, the cheat!

WELL DONE TONY!

Exactly. And if David speers and Laurie Oakes are calling an Abbott win, then that says a lot.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #84 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:18pm suddenly all the laborites have gone.... I guess they realise they lost the debate... finally.
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Reply #85 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories).

Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling.

Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight.

I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said. Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out. He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim.

I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation.

Abbott has repeatedly said there wil be no GST change and that any such things in the future will be taken to an election.

And this from the party that said unequivocally that there would be no carbon tax!

... and the party that has been promising a surplus but failing to deliver anything but record deficits almost from the dawn of time! Grin

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Who will win/won debate Reply #86 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:28pm longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:18pm: suddenly all the laborites have gone.... I guess they realise they lost the debate... finally. Well that's wrong because they didn't.
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Reply #87 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:28pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories).

Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling.

Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight.

I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said. Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out. He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim.

I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation.

Abbott has repeatedly said there wil be no GST change and that any such things in the future will be taken to an election.

And this from the party that said unequivocally that there would be no carbon tax!

... and the party that has been promising a surplus but failing to deliver anything but record deficits almost from the dawn of time! Grin

Sooooo.....we aren't discussing the debate any longer. Okay, I understand.

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Reply #88 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:30pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

More money should have been promised to boat people.

promised to do what to the illegals ?

Sink them would suit me

The welfare of boat people trumps that of Australians.

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Reply #89 - Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:34pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

Not only did Rudd not answer the questions put to him in the debate tonight, he was caught out blatantly lying - most notably about the fictional plans of the Coalition to increase the GST despite numerous iron-clad assurances by Abbott that the GST will not and cannot change due to the fact that at least two current state governments are Labor and changes to the GST would require their approval (as well as the approval of all other states/territories).

Rudd also said when calling the election that it was about trust. He's struck out on that front already and tonight tried to say the election is about the economy. Well, he won't win on that point either. Not a single surplus since he won office from Howard in 2007 and the surplus Costello built up has turned into a debt fast approaching $300bn after Labor twice raised the debt ceiling.

Rudd also interjected numerous times despite David Spears practically telling him to shut up. He was not behaving like a statesman tonight - he was behaving like a man desperate to retain his inflated sense of importance and to be able to continue to serve his ego. Rudd clearly lost the debate tonight.

I get what you say, but it seems you did not notice the difference between what Rudd said and what Abbott said. Rudd was a definite , "NO," and stated that it was not even part of any intended review, while Abbott said "NO," but refused to state that it would not be part of a review....thus not ruling it out. He leant hard on the requirement that it could only change if all States agree, but he did not acknowledge that that is not a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.......is is merely legislative, and Governments can change legislation at a whim.

I think there was a stark difference, and hence the room for speculation on what Abbott's real position is, given Hockey has said it is part of the equation and Bishop today on Bolt blurted out that they would increase taxation.

Increasing taxation is one thing, talking about changing the GST is entirely something else. Rudd whines about not having enough money. Part of it is because he spends it faster than he gets it, but a big part of it is his handouts and tax cuts. He's like the drunk with a beer bottle - he slurps it down quickly and then wonders why there's none left. You can't lower taxes and then whine about not having enough money to pay for your plans - especially when you've got a debt fast approaching $300bn. Unfortunately, you either have to cut services or raise taxes to pay off the debt, or a combination of the two. Simply continuing spending and cutting taxes will result in you digging a deeper hole for yourself.

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Question: Who will win/won tonight's debate
Tony Abbott was the clear winner 11 (57.9%) Kevin castrati rudd thanks to media bias 7 (36.8%) The cut on castratis face 1 (5.3%) Total votes: 19 « Created by: Merlin on: Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:07am »