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Aug 11th, 2013 at 1:41pm
 
Who are the real bludgers?      Sad

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    The Age.

Welfare dependency, most agree, is an ugly thing. It is also a loaded term that brings to mind bludgers addicted to government benefits.

We're not thinking, of course, of the 44 per cent of taxpayers who get more in benefits than they pay in. Who dares suggest ''working families'', even if quite well off, are guilty of some sort of moral failing for accepting state handouts?      Sad

It seems the better off feel entitled to better treatment by government. Their status as wealth generators is a passport to ''diplomatic immunity'' from accusations of sponging off the state - however disproportionate to need their benefits and tax concessions may be. Similarly, while age pensioners get the biggest slice of $132 billion in welfare spending (36 per cent of the budget), they are seen to have earned the right to be dependent on government - even those living in $1 million-plus homes. Pensioners and their assets are untouchable, too.

The young, unemployed and single mothers are subject to a different standard. They get lower benefits, often too low to keep them out of poverty, but are treated as a morally suspect underclass that lives off taxpayers who have worked hard for everything they have.    


The young jobless have even been accused of being ''job snobs'' who just need to get off their bums to find work. Under-30s in areas with unskilled job vacancies may lose benefits under the Coalition, which also wants long-term unemployed under 50 to work for the dole. Their ''free ride'' is set to end.

Single mums have already copped it. The Gillard government shifted them from a single parent benefit to Newstart, which allows fewer hours of paid work before payments are cut. The government disregarded the impact on low-income families to save $728 million over four years.      Sad

However, much better-off ''working families'' who have come to rely on government to boost their finances seemingly have little to fear from the bipartisan savings drive.

Families with children are the second-biggest recipients of welfare spending - about $34 billion a year. Most goes on family tax benefits A and B, but there are also childcare benefits and rebates, paid parental leave, schoolchildren's and baby bonuses and carer allowances. The full list of family benefits is very long.

Many who receive family welfare are, on any reasonable definition, not needy. Couples with two children in the middle 50 per cent range of incomes ($80,000 to $135,000) may qualify for most or all of the above benefits. One partner can earn up to $150,000 and the second up to $25,623 and they can still get something from Family Tax Benefit B, which costs about $4.5 billion a year.

A reality check on incomes: 50 per cent of households had incomes below $65,000 in the 2011 census. Half of all workers earn $50,000 or less.

Given how much welfare money goes to middle and high-income families, you'd think the budget costs of ''middle-class welfare'' would be a natural target for savings, especially when Abbott has declared: ''The fiscal position will always be better under the Coalition because budget surpluses and reducing debt, paying back debt, that's in our DNA.''

Yet family payments seem to be off-limits. The Coalition even proposes to add Abbott's $3 billion-a-year paid parental leave plan so benefits for high-income earners are proportionate to their earnings.

When last year's budget trimmed the baby bonus for households with incomes of up to $75,000 in the six months after birth, this was said to be a ''vicious and savage'' attack on families. But just because maternity allowances are an Australian tradition - Labor started them at five pounds in 1912 - that does not mean we can afford to make such benefits an inviolable universal entitlement.

What about private health cover, which gets government support worth $5 billion a year? Policy holders received a 30 per cent rebate on premiums regardless of incomes until the government legislated last year to reduce rebates for single people earning more than $83,000 (the top 20 per cent) and families more than $166,000. Rebates cut out at $129,000 and $258,000. The saving is $2.4 billion over three years.

Abbott vows to restore the full rebate for all as soon as possible, for the usual genetic reasons. ''Private health insurance is in our DNA. It is our raison d'etre, that is why we exist as a political movement, to give more support and encourage people who want to get ahead.''

They're getting ahead all right, especially via superannuation. Tax concessions cost $32 billion a year, but any move to stem the bleeding has the beneficiaries and their advocates screaming ''class war''.      Sad

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Reply #1 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 1:43pm
 
They're also winning that war hands down, by the way. Super concessions work by taxing contributions and earnings at 15 per cent instead of a taxpayer's marginal rate, so the benefit expands the more you earn. Treasury calculates the top 5 per cent of earners get 37 per cent of the value of concessions. The average male's total super balance as they near retirement isn't worth even half the top earners' average tax concessions of $520,000.

Health and superannuation benefits fatten up the industries as well. Benefits that supplement low incomes are also a de facto subsidy for bosses who can boost their own incomes by paying people less than they could live on without state help.

Far too many Australians on good incomes have come to rely in many ways on an overstretched welfare budget, one that began as a safety net for the truly needy. This culture of entitlement represents a greater and more insidious moral failing than applies to the vulnerable few whose dependency we scorn.      Sad

John Watson is an Age senior writer.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/who-are-the-real-bludgers-20130312-2fyf3.html#ixzz2bd24TxP3
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People, who for year after year, take more than they contribute; always have been always will be.


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BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm:
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People, who for year after year, take more than they contribute; always have been always will be.




That would be ppl like andrei

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:07pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm:
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People, who for year after year, take more than they contribute; always have been always will be.




That would be ppl like andrei

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If he gets more in tax handouts than he contributes then yes absolutely, there are no exceptions.



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What about pensioners and the disabled.
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Reply #6 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:04pm
 
I have gotten plenty of handouts that I don't need, thanks mostly to John Howard.
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ian wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:34pm:
What about pensioners and the disabled.


Pensioners have paid into the pension all their working lives. Disabled I suppose it depends how old they are. Cant leave them to die though.

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ian wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:34pm:
What about pensioners and the disabled.



what about three legged poodles that get free vet service?


Jeezus friggen christ, what about pensioners and the disabled?


Make your point and move on.


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Reply #9 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:24pm
 
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It seems the better off feel entitled to better treatment by government. Their status as wealth generators is a passport to ''diplomatic immunity'' from accusations of sponging off the state - however disproportionate to need their benefits and tax concessions may be.


Government benefits were never about "entitlement" or what people deserved, but about economic management and civilisation. For example, social security makes it less likely that people will steal and commit crimes in order to "survive" and make a living. Think about it as an insurance policy against crime. Would you rather pay your taxes than have someone break into your home, smashing the windows and destroying the furniture? That is the question.

The amount of social security we get when we're unemployed, therefore, depends on how much money we need to give people to stop them committing crimes or developing a mental illness as a result of their less-than-pleasant life situation.

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Similarly, while age pensioners get the biggest slice of $132 billion in welfare spending (36 per cent of the budget), they are seen to have earned the right to be dependent on government - even those living in $1 million-plus homes. Pensioners and their assets are untouchable, too.


I have no problem with rich people until they start complaining. I have no problem with a rich guy getting social security, for example. Think of income and welfare payments as a clock. You don't want a poor, impoverished guy catching up to you by getting money they didn't earn. Social security means that the clock doesn't stop ticking, even for a rich guy. The tortoise doesn't catch up to the hare in the race for wealth accumulation. The hare may go to sleep for a while, but it will continue to move forward ever so slightly as it sleeps, as if another tortoise was carrying it. It ensures that the rich and wealthy are always better off than people who don't earn the same amount of money while employed. Social security for everyone, including the rich, is a fair policy.

I just don't like it when the rich complain, because with all the wealth they have, I would think they don't have a reason to complain. If you're rich, shut up about your problems because you're doing better than most other people.

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Families with children are the second-biggest recipients of welfare spending - about $34 billion a year. Most goes on family tax benefits A and B, but there are also childcare benefits and rebates, paid parental leave, schoolchildren's and baby bonuses and carer allowances. The full list of family benefits is very long.


If people stop having kids, we'd have an aging population. We need 2.1 babies per woman for a sustainable population. Otherwise, the costs needed to look after the elderly would be too much.

Babies and children are expensive. That's why we need policies to support and maybe even promote it. Childless people don't need as much money to sustain their lifestyle. Let's not make life harder for the parents. Birth rates have been declining in the Western world. The baby-making lifestyle needs an economic stimulus.

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Yet family payments seem to be off-limits. The Coalition even proposes to add Abbott's $3 billion-a-year paid parental leave plan so benefits for high-income earners are proportionate to their earnings.


I agree. The Coalition's parental leave plan isn't a fair system. High income earners will be better off. I would have thought the task of parenting was the same whether you were rich or poor. Changing nappies, feeding the baby, putting it to sleep ............ how is that job different for mothers who are rich or poor? You're making the same contribution to society.

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Abbott vows to restore the full rebate for all as soon as possible, for the usual genetic reasons. ''Private health insurance is in our DNA. It is our raison d'etre, that is why we exist as a political movement, to give more support and encourage people who want to get ahead.''


I have private health insurance. I don't have a problem with government rebates as it's not a classism thing. Private education is a different matter however. That's definitely a class thing and I don't like the government giving too much support to it. It would be supporting snobbery. Cheesy It's fair enough, however, that the State governments look after public education and the Federal gov't supports private.
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BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:22pm:
ian wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:34pm:
What about pensioners and the disabled.



what about three legged poodles that get free vet service?


Jeezus friggen christ, what about pensioners and the disabled?


Make your point and move on.



Whats the matter, did you mistake the dencorub for hemorroid cream again? Im sure a man with your level of intellectual ability is able to get my point.
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That would be one of the most sensible and accurate media pieces on the wealth-fare issue that I've read for quite some time.

He nails it, basically.
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BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm:
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People, who for year after year, take more than they contribute; always have been always will be.





You have just described a large number of wealth-fare recipients.

It's time people realised that it isn't the unemployed who are rorting
the system and getting entitlements they shouldn't get.

It never was. It's these parasites.

The unemployed are merely their scape-goats.
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Reply #13 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:43pm
 
ian wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:25pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:22pm:
ian wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:34pm:
What about pensioners and the disabled.



what about three legged poodles that get free vet service?


Jeezus friggen christ, what about pensioners and the disabled?


Make your point and move on.



Whats the matter, did you mistake the dencorub for hemorroid cream again? Im sure a man with your level of intellectual ability is able to get my point.



Your point seems to be a retorical question, based on the grammar.


Try again, maybe a couple of sentences contributing to a whole paragraph.


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Reply #14 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:46pm
 
Kat wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:40pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 1:50pm:
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Who are the real bludgers?      Sad





People, who for year after year, take more than they contribute; always have been always will be.





You have just described a large number of wealth-fare recipients.

It's time people realised that it isn't the unemployed who are rorting
the system and getting entitlements they shouldn't get.

It never was. It's these parasites.

The unemployed are merely their scape-goats.



Some middle class, and every single dole bludger, it is pretty straight forward. If you take more than you give, you are a welfare bludger.

BTW, most middle class pay a sh1t load in tax, a lot more than any 'wealthfare' they may recieve.


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