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Reply #105 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:43pm
 
warrigal wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:20pm:
by the way arshole I haven't gone to centrelink dressed the way you perceive or assume.

your still a ignorant bastard korri

how does this korri get away with this, that's right it would be racist to say something against him.


Correct!

As a black fella, even my shadow is a Sacred Site.

Warrigal, as an aborigine I've been thinking of developing 'Uluru' into a gigantic cavern filled with various constructions and amenities.

How do you like the idea?

Inside that huge stone there could be a casino ... a luxury hotel ... a tourist resort with certain novelties ... a shopping mall ... a miniature railway ... a cinema ... restaurants ... pubs ... cafes ... live shows ... etc etc.


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Reply #106 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 4:13pm
 
someone needs to put a bomb under your buggern rock and destroy it first.

what a ignorant bastard you are korri elder Herbert

you come on this forum and tell everyone there is no class system in Australia.

but then you Act like your korri king muck and think that your better then everyone else in our society.

so the comment I made about how some treat others bin our society is correct.

and there are some of higher class out there.

king korri

and All this to make white man's money for a greedy black man

a ignorant greedy black korri
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Reply #107 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 5:19pm
 
warrigal wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 4:13pm:
what a ignorant bastard you are korri elder Herbert


Alas, 'tis true, brother Warrigal.

warrigal wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 4:13pm:
you come on this forum and tell everyone there is no class system in Australia.


I did indeed.

warrigal wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 4:13pm:
but then you Act like your korri king muck and think that your better then everyone else in our society.


That's only since Kevin said "Sorry!" to me.

I used to be quite humble before that. I knew my place as a black fella in a white man's society.

warrigal wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 4:13pm:
so the comment I made about how some treat others bin our society is correct.


I have to admit that, yes.

warrigal wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 4:13pm:
and there are some of higher class out there.

king korri.

and All this to make white man's money for a greedy black man

a ignorant greedy black korri


Greed is GOOD, brother Warrigal.

It's why 50,000 boat-people have arrived since Labor came to power.

All chasing the All Mighty dollar.


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Reply #108 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 5:33pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


It is pretty straight forward. If you take more than you give, you are a welfare bludger.

BTW, most middle class pay a sh1t load in tax, a lot more than any 'wealthfare' they may receive.




I thought the above was bleeding obvious. Seems not.
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Reply #109 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 7:01am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 5:33pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


It is pretty straight forward. If you take more than you give, you are a welfare bludger.

BTW, most middle class pay a sh1t load in tax, a lot more than any 'wealthfare' they may receive.




I thought the above was bleeding obvious. Seems not.


I can't see how a measly $500 per fortnight from the government, is taking more than anyones value in society. considering the things I have done though my life.
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Reply #110 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 7:20am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 5:33pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


It is pretty straight forward. If you take more than you give, you are a welfare bludger.

BTW, most middle class pay a sh1t load in tax, a lot more than any 'wealthfare' they may receive.




I thought the above was bleeding obvious. Seems not.


The middle class dont need wealthfare though - they can afford to get by without it unlike the ppl that arent getting the money that do need it.

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Reply #111 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:53pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
It's true that you people like to pretend there is no landed gentry here, and no North Shore golfing clubs, tennis clubs, or yachting clubs deliberately priced to keep out the riff-raff.

You like to pretend there isn't the silver-tailed, bejeweled opera crowd, or the High Fashion crowd, or those special marquees at the Flemington racecourse on Melbourne Cup Day that are filled with the sons and daughters of Australia's Social Elite.


Well, I don't doubt the existence of special "upper-class" clubs, events, gatherings and fashions. I just think people can be rich without the classism. They're rich, they consider themselves rich, but they don't consider themselves a class.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
And from your very own lips you have contradicted yourself, Mnemo :~

To wit: (paraphrasing) ~ "Private schooling is all about 'class'". You don't like the 'classism' that private schools represent.

But then: "Class is something that exists in Britain and the USA, but not so much here".

So isn't it a manifestation of 'classism' that so many parents send their children to private school here in Australia?

No 'class' in Australia? There's every bit as much social-climbing in Australia as there is in the UK - maybe more.


Maybe to some extent you're right. We do have "hard-nosed" people in Australia. They don't like bad drivers. They want their house to be tidy. They want their kids to have a good education, but it's not love. It's prestige. The men buy new cars to impress the girls, act suave and show that they've got cash. The women look for men they consider "safe" and avoid the "risky" type: ie. those who drive fancy cars, pay for their dinner and have lots of cash. They're constantly comparing themselves to their friends. They won't choose a "trashy" girlfriend or boyfriend. They'll look bad in front of their friends. It's a race to see who gets their driver's license first, who is the first to move out or buy a house. They are continually evaluating each other's choices.

Maybe hanging out with people who belonged to a different demographic to the people at high school (should I call them yuppies?) has made me think there is no class here. I recently had a "mid-life crisis" and began subconsciously dissociating myself from those "yuppie" high school peers. I became disillusioned with the "hard-nosed" people I knew in my adolescence. It was a complete change in identity. I thought of myself as a completely different person. I started hating my "roots."

But then I forgot ............... I was getting away from the hard-nosed (and maybe classist) people out there ............. getting away from classism and snobbery.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
Most of these people loathe the Australian accent for it being nasal, whiny, and low-class. They hate being addressed as 'mate' for this being over-familiar and lacking in 'proper' respect for their social status.


Yeah ............. the constant swearing to show they're a regular bloke. S-word, F-word, C-word and other expletives. ........ and how "classy" people don't do that. You're either hard-nosed/classy/classist or you're a cool/regular bloke.
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Reply #112 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:55pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
Don't be so polite, you're making me feel guilty.  Tongue


I don't know what people would say about my track record with politeness here. I don't normally think about being polite. I say my Thank-You's and Please's but that's just a habit. I just thought if I was going to ask if someone was British (or any other nationality), I better tread carefully. Cool

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
The Union Jack doesn't identify anyone these days. Through mass and indiscriminate immigration over the past 40 years into the UK, the Union Jack represents absolutely no one ~ and everyone.

It's been rendered meaningless. It's a relic from a time when the Brits were not black, or turbaned, or Muslim... and they weren't born in the UK to set off suicide bombs in the London Underground.


It may not identity your ethnicity, but surely it does identify your nationality, does it not? Cool

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
If you want to be British ~ just buy a little Union Jack flag on a popsicle stick from a Chinese 2 Dollar store ~ 'Made in China' ~ and wave it at certain events.


Made-in-China Australian flags are common too.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
I spent 7 years of my childhood in China. When I arrived in the UK it was foreign to me except for the language.


Seven years in China hey? You must have learn to speak Mandarin in that time. Cheesy

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
Are you Indian or Chinese by any chance? I'm channeling someone from an ethnic background where politeness and respect is ALWAYS at a premium.


I think a little bit of mystery is a good thing. Cool I could be the guy who runs the KwikiMart (Simpsons) or the City Wok (South Park) ........ or something else altogether. Every now and then, little bits of my life leak out. For now, I think I'll keep you guessing. Cool

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As for "politeness" and "respect," I think it is more a result of an experience I had several years ago when I was studying, than to do with my "background." Let me just say, bullying doesn't just happen in high school. It happens in university as well. In fact, it happens everywhere: in the workplace, in relationships, in marriages, in the armed forces; it happens everywhere. I think the 98th percentile score should be a sign: I was very competitive in high school.

At university I used to spend time with a "friend" who like me, studied hard and thought of himself as "smart." We had a kind of "competition" and "rivalry" that got a little too "personal." I never wanted a competition. I was a victim of bullying in high school and tried hard to manage conflicts, to not hit back emotionally at an aggressor. But this guy was keen. He was obsessed. I was afraid that if I told him to stop, he'd say that I was weak or a coward, so I let this continue for four years. Eventually we stopped talking to each other and blamed each other for what happened.

That guy put me in very uncomfortable situations and I promised myself I wasn't going to do the same to anyone else. That experience taught me the true meaning of respect.

It's because of that experience that I don't like snobbery. I don't want to go back to that life. It brought the worst out of me. It destroyed a friendship. Snobbery and classism tear people apart. They stop trusting and talking to each other -- nothing to do with being a "left-wing whinger."

Snobs only have snobs as friends. That's fine until people start quitting the snob group and saying, "I'm out."

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
My sincere congratulations. Your parents must be very proud of you. Are you going into medicine (if I may presume to ask  Cool)


Oh that was a while ago. If I wanted to get into Medicine, I would have needed 99, but I wasn't interested in it anyway.

Back in my "yuppie" days, the score really mattered. Now it doesn't.

What people achieve in high school becomes insignificant as the years go by. When you get your university degree, it doesn't matter if you went to public or private school. When you go out looking for a job, employers are looking for experience. Even university qualifications aren't so important unless the job involves number crunching or really technical matters -- like jobs for engineers, accountants, lawyers, judges and scientists -- where you really have to know what you're doing.

If you're running a business, it's more about management, making decisions and dealing with people. They won't care so much that you have a Business, Commerce or Arts degree. I actually did choose a path where university qualifications did matter, but my high school results won't help my career prospects.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
Ah! This is a clear case of stereotyping, profiling, racial prejudice, xenophobia, bigotry ... and maybe even the dreaded 'homophobia'!

Andrei and I demand an apology!


I thought the British were a nationality, not a race -- a bit like being Roman. Cool Join the Empire.
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Reply #113 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:59pm
 
warrigal wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 7:01am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 5:33pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


It is pretty straight forward. If you take more than you give, you are a welfare bludger.

BTW, most middle class pay a sh1t load in tax, a lot more than any 'wealthfare' they may receive.




I thought the above was bleeding obvious. Seems not.


I can't see how a measly $500 per fortnight from the government, is taking more than anyones value in society. considering the things I have done though my life.


You should stop whinging and use that energy in trying to get ANY job instead. You may not be aware of this .. but the dole is intended and has always been intended, to function as a stop gap measure only.
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Reply #114 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 2:46pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:59pm:
warrigal wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 7:01am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 5:33pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:46pm:


It is pretty straight forward. If you take more than you give, you are a welfare bludger.

BTW, most middle class pay a sh1t load in tax, a lot more than any 'wealthfare' they may receive.




I thought the above was bleeding obvious. Seems not.


I can't see how a measly $500 per fortnight from the government, is taking more than anyones value in society. considering the things I have done though my life.


You should stop whinging and use that energy in trying to get ANY job instead. You may not be aware of this .. but the dole is intended and has always been intended, to function as a stop gap measure only.


Not any more with 400k more unemployed than there are jobs.

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Reply #115 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 2:49pm
 
If you truly WANT a job.. you will get one. Fact!
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Reply #116 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 3:20pm
 
Torpedo wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 1:52pm:
that's right, instead of taking away the rights from those who control their lifestyle, and instead of overpopulating


Oh I was never saying anyone should be forced to do anything. I was just talking about a change in culture. If people continue living the way they do, there's nothing I can do about it.

The only changes I proposed for the current "system" were to the tax system so that business was easier and so that our economy can compete. I do think we have a high-cost economy and need to step down to a low-cost one, but I'm still thinking about how we're going to achieve that.

Torpedo wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:06pm:
oh no, the cultural one will actually make it worse, we've seen enough of this cultural one.
If we can find the solution (and I have a feeling we can), then we really need to work towards it, and instead of becoming dejected and give up, we need to persevere. But if in the end we find that there is no solution, then at least we can say we tried. But living like animals in caves till the end of humanity isn't going to help us either


Actually, one solution I can think of isn't a new technology or a scientific breakthrough, but where we live and how we get to work or school each day.

Instead of living in houses, we'd live in caravans. Instead of driving to work/school each day, you park your caravan near your workplace or school and walk there every morning. That would save lots of fuel.

Each caravan would be like a bedroom. If you need something bigger, you get a bus with its seats ripped out.

Instead of a television set for each family, it's communal television: a television set or cinema for each channel.

Instead of having mail delivered to a "home address," it will go to an account you have with the postal service. The postal service will deliver the mail to your current location. You will collect it from a special post box.

Instead of urban dwellers, we'd be nomads, ready to uproot and go at will. At the moment we don't have the infrastructure to support such a system, but in the future ............ who knows?
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Reply #117 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 3:56pm
 
Mnemonic wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:53pm:
Well, I don't doubt the existence of special "upper-class" clubs, events, gatherings and fashions...


Thank you. Point proven. Australia is not even remotely a classless society.

Just ask the old folk what it was like in the Old Days when you tried to get a job east of Parramatta in Sydney if your addressed showed you to be a 'Westy'.

Many applicants chose to lie about where they lived rather than say they lived in Blacktown or further west.

'Class' distinction exists to a very fine degree in Australian society.

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:53pm:
Maybe to some extent you're right.


Ah, Grasshopper ... Is it not better to learn new Truths than to cherish old Falsehoods?

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:53pm:
They want their house to be tidy. They want their kids to have a good education, but it's not love. It's prestige.


Vanity ... yea, all is vanity. I'm an agnostic, but the Bible is filled with timeless wisdom, and all beautifully written. Vanity.

Mnemonic wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:53pm:
I started hating my "roots."


Interesting, but I don't doubt your ethnic roots have a very broad and rich base to it. It's not fair to condemn the entire spectrum because a little Dutch elm disease is found here and there amongst the bounty, Grasshopper.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
Most of these people loathe the Australian accent for it being nasal, whiny, and low-class. They hate being addressed as 'mate' for this being over-familiar and lacking in 'proper' respect for their social status.


Mnemonic wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:53pm:
Yeah ............. the constant swearing to show they're a regular bloke. S-word, F-word, C-word and other expletives. ........ and how "classy" people don't do that.


This is a tough one. The nouveau riche swear like drunken sailors because their money is 'new' but their working class origins have not yet been bred out of them.

In terms of cultural refinement, etiquette, and 'actin' proper, like' ~ they're still all thumbs and no fingers like Norman Wisdom at a Royal banquet.

James Packer ... John Singleton ... these are rich people with very few social graces, and a happy penchant for using the 'f' word at every opportunity.

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Reply #118 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 4:28pm
 
Mnemonic wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
Don't be so polite, you're making me feel guilty.  Tongue


I just thought if I was going to ask if someone was British (or any other nationality), I better tread carefully. Cool


Ah. You've raised an interesting point.

The only people I have ever met who are NOT paranoid about their nationality are people from the English-speaking countries.

It's only You Ethnics who tense up with paranoid suspicion if someone should ask where you come from. The reason: you have your traditional enemies, going back centuries.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 8:49am:
The Union Jack doesn't identify anyone these days. Through mass and indiscriminate immigration over the past 40 years into the UK, the Union Jack represents absolutely no one ~ and everyone.


Mnemonic wrote on Aug 16th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
It may not identity your ethnicity, but surely it does identify your nationality, does it not? Cool


Good lord, no.

Each summer when India and Pakistan's national cricket teams arrive in the UK to play the 'British' ~ they are swamped by hysterical crowds of fifth generation immigrant Indians and Pakistanis carrying them triumphantly on their shoulders in various parts of England.

Same when the West Indian cricketing team arrives. People born in Britain in the 1950's greet them as visiting heroes, and barrack for them all the way through the summer months.

If a war came, half of Britain's population would have to be shipped off to the Canadian wilderness for internment until the cessation of hostilities.

[quote author=Mnemonic link=1376192497/112#112 date=1376625321Seven years in China hey? You must have learn to speak Mandarin in that time. Cheesy [/quote]

Ah-HUH! Now I know where you come from, Grasshopper!

Anybody else would have assumed I had lived in Hong Kong, and had learned to speak a little Cantonese. But you nominated north China ~ an odd choice for a Gweilo to have spent as a child.

I lived in both Shanghai and Hong Kong, but as for more information... well, first you have to snatch these 5 fresh testicles out of my hand, Grasshooper...

(Sorry, I'm reading a book about Hannibal Lecter at the moment, and ... )  Cool





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Reply #119 - Aug 16th, 2013 at 4:32pm
 
I looked up “real bludger” and there was a picture of Wazza!!!
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