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What Are The Odds On A GST Rise.
Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:38am
 
What are the odds on a GST rise?

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    August 12, 2013


Be prepared, a rise in the GST is on the cards.

When Joe Hockey, the man likely to become the next Federal Treasurer, says that all options will be considered as part of achieving a revamped tax system, that screams a message, "negotiations are open to increase the GST".      Shocked

Of course an increase in the billions of dollars the Goods and Services Tax already raises, is bound to draw flak from the electorate.

Nobody wants to pay more tax.


But all politicians know that immediately following an election is the best time to serve the electorate a dose of nasty medicine.      Sad

The Barnett government has recently proved my point.

To facilitate an increase all states, the Northern Territory and the federal government must vote for the change.

Australian voters, state and federal, have installed conservative governments in the Northern Territory, Western Australia, New South Wales and Queensland.

In South Australia the Labor government is considered highly likely to lose office at the next election due early in 2014.

In Tasmania, the Labor government's finances are in desperate need of an injection of funds to stimulate that states sluggish economy. If the size of the GST cake is increased, an offer of extra funding to the island state would be a compelling incentive for that state to vote for an increase.

Western Australian Premier Colin Barnett has complained long and loud about the present arrangements for GST distribution, negotiations surrounding a proposed increase in the GST tax and a revamped distribution formula would give Mr. Barnett the opportunity to argue the case for a better deal for his state.

As Troy Buswell's recent budget has shown,despite the recent boom, our economic future is threatened by an explosion in state debt.

Western Australian government borrowings have ballooned to a frightening 22 billion dollars and are predicted to go way beyond that. Treasurer Buswell has forecast that by fiscal year 2016/2017 our states debt burden will reach a crushing 28 billion dollars. Which means WA needs to find more money, and lots of it.

So, despite Mr. Abbott trying to soothe voters by dismissing the prospect of a rise in the GST levy under a coalition government, you can guarantee that when the Premiers gather at their annual conference, an increase in the GST levy will be raised, discussed, and promoted.

All the Premiers want more money.

If they argue for a rise in the GST levy as they will, and if Mr. Abbott is then Prime Minister, as is likely,

should he and his government agree, he will explain away his change of mind by saying,

"blame the state's, it was their idea".

Of course this scenario is dependent on a coalition victory, and right now the polls, and the bookmakers, suggest such a win is highly likely.      Sad

So, brace yourselves for the coming public debate about the "need" for an increase in the GST

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/comment/what-are-the-odds-on-a-gst-rise-20130812-2rqyg.html#ixzz2biLeNplj
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Reply #1 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:45am
 
GUESS WHAT ANYONE WHO THINKS THE GST WILL STAY 10% FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.. HAS ROCKS FOR BRAINS..

its not who does it... its how....

IF SOMEONE TRIES THE OLD..

NO GST UNDER A GOVT I LEAD....


I can tell you now they will be thrown out..


i would imagine if they tried it without consultation... the same thing will happen...


its the same with any tax BIG or SMALL consultation..

the stirrers might like to take on board that spending is DOWN and looks like staying there for a while..

and increase in the GST will cause that to get worse...

I dont think either side want that.... just a thought
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Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:50am
 
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:45am:
GUESS WHAT ANYONE WHO THINKS THE GST WILL STAY 10% FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.. HAS ROCKS FOR BRAINS..

its not who does it... its how....

IF SOMEONE TRIES THE OLD..

NO GST UNDER A GOVT I LEAD....


I can tell you now they will be thrown out..


i would imagine if they tried it without consultation... the same thing will happen...


its the same with any tax BIG or SMALL consultation..

the stirrers might like to take on board that spending is DOWN and looks like staying there for a while..

and increase in the GST will cause that to get worse...

I dont think either side want that.... just a thought


If this is a debate on tax, dear, why paint yourself into a corner? An increase in the GST puts the tax burden onto you.

Putting a GST on food taxes the poor. Why not increase income tax and tax the rich?

Nothing is inevitable. Taxes are political. Who do you want to pay? Who is it fair to tax?
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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:57am
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:50am:
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:45am:
GUESS WHAT ANYONE WHO THINKS THE GST WILL STAY 10% FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.. HAS ROCKS FOR BRAINS..

its not who does it... its how....

IF SOMEONE TRIES THE OLD..

NO GST UNDER A GOVT I LEAD....


I can tell you now they will be thrown out..


i would imagine if they tried it without consultation... the same thing will happen...


its the same with any tax BIG or SMALL consultation..

the stirrers might like to take on board that spending is DOWN and looks like staying there for a while..

and increase in the GST will cause that to get worse...

I dont think either side want that.... just a thought


If this is a debate on tax, dear, why paint yourself into a corner? An increase in the GST puts the tax burden onto you.

Putting a GST on food taxes the poor. Why not increase income tax and tax the rich?

and the rich dont eat or buy nickers  right


Nothing is inevitable. Taxes are political. Who do you want to pay? Who is it fair to tax?




well we know you live with a bag over you head.. you obsession with matty tell us everything about you...dear.

you can always shop on line where you wont pay any of our nasty taxes.
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Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm
 
this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that.

The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.
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Reply #5 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:02pm
 
The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut.

What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich.

I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.
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Reply #6 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:07pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm:
this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that.

The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.



Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms.

Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money.

Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper.

In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies.
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Reply #7 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:07pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm:
this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that.

The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.



Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms.

Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money.

Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper.

In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies.


they are NOT specifically including the GST.  they are just not specifically EXCLUDING anything.  that was the major weakness of the Henry review in that Rudd told him what he could and couldn't look at.  a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's.

and you have an iron-clad agreement that there will be no changes to the GST in the next govt.  What more do you want or expect?
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Reply #8 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm:
this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that.

The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.



Abbott says - there will be no increase in GST under a Govt. I lead.

Since all politicians lie - how can you trust him?
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Reply #9 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm:
this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that.

The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.



Abbott says - there will be no increase in GST under a Govt. I lead.

Since all politicians lie - how can you trust him?


but you have to read the fine print because he didn't exclusively rule it out. He said that it relies on all state governments to agree to an increase.

but I bet you he will put a gst on ALL online sales because his libbo mate Gerry Harvey wants one Sad
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Reply #10 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:14pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:57am:
Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:50am:
cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:45am:
GUESS WHAT ANYONE WHO THINKS THE GST WILL STAY 10% FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.. HAS ROCKS FOR BRAINS..

its not who does it... its how....

IF SOMEONE TRIES THE OLD..

NO GST UNDER A GOVT I LEAD....


I can tell you now they will be thrown out..


i would imagine if they tried it without consultation... the same thing will happen...


its the same with any tax BIG or SMALL consultation..

the stirrers might like to take on board that spending is DOWN and looks like staying there for a while..

and increase in the GST will cause that to get worse...

I dont think either side want that.... just a thought


If this is a debate on tax, dear, why paint yourself into a corner? An increase in the GST puts the tax burden onto you.

Putting a GST on food taxes the poor. Why not increase income tax and tax the rich?

and the rich dont eat or buy nickers  right


Nothing is inevitable. Taxes are political. Who do you want to pay? Who is it fair to tax?




well we know you live with a bag over you head.. you obsession with matty tell us everything about you...dear.

you can always shop on line where you wont pay any of our nasty taxes.


Yes, dear, but you might find those tomatoes get to you a little worse for wear.

Matty might move to Rhode island.
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Reply #11 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:02pm:
The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut.

What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich.

I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.


Oh, there's a case alright. All state governments will come into line if the Feds are on side. They're desperate for the revenue, and the blame is diffused.

I wish they'd get a decent mining tax. Problem solved. The only people who pay for a tax on mining are the Chinese.

By getting rid of the mining tax (which is purely political - it doesn't raise any revenue anyway), Abbott's saying he wants to tax pensioners rather than BHP, Rio and Estrada.

Make no mistake - Abbott WILL need to raise revenue. He's promised to bring the budget into surplus in one term.
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Reply #12 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm
 
AXE THE TAX.
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Reply #13 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:19pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:07pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm:
this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that.

The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.



Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms.

Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money.

Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper.

In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies.


they are NOT specifically including the GST.  they are just not specifically EXCLUDING anything.  that was the major weakness of the Henry review in that Rudd told him what he could and couldn't look at.  a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's.

and you have an iron-clad agreement that there will be no changes to the GST in the next govt.  What more do you want or expect?


no changes to the GST in the next govt

When Spears asked if it applied to the next term Abbott responded that there will be no change to the GST.

What he said applied past the next term and excluded all or any change.

a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's.

So you review the items where you have already locked in the result - pretty stupid spending a heap of money when the decision has already been made and locked in concrete.
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Reply #14 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:24pm
 
The henry review was an excellent review of the tax system and extremely comprehensive.  All the Coalition did was can it from the moment it was released and all the recommendations it contained.

Why do they want another review?q
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