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Reply #15 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:32pm

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

The henry review was an excellent review of the tax system and extremely comprehensive. All the Coalition did was can it from the moment it was released and all the recommendations it contained.

Why do they want another review?q

good grief... what is it with you and your new-found LABOR-LOVE???? the Henry review was LABORS review and it was LABOR that rejected 146 out of the 150 recommendations. At least TRY and aim the blame where it is deserved.

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Reply #16 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:34pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

this is pitiful. there will be no change in the GST during the next govt. that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that.

The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.

Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms.

Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money.

Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper.

In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies.

they are NOT specifically including the GST. they are just not specifically EXCLUDING anything. that was the major weakness of the Henry review in that Rudd told him what he could and couldn't look at. a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's.

and you have an iron-clad agreement that there will be no changes to the GST in the next govt. What more do you want or expect?

no changes to the GST in the next govt

When Spears asked if it applied to the next term Abbott responded that there will be no change to the GST.

What he said applied past the next term and excluded all or any change.

a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's.

So you review the items where you have already locked in the result - pretty stupid spending a heap of money when the decision has already been made and locked in concrete.

you really are a stupid and incredibly petty person. You give Gillard a free pass pn her comprehensive lie about the carbon tax (yes, LIE!) and yet wank on endlessly about an Abbott promise regarding the GST for a term that has not yet commenced for a govt not yet elected.

your credibility is like Rudds. liar and now cheater.

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Reply #17 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Sales Tax was a "hidden tax".

The GST is upfront. It can NOT be changed unless ALL States and the 2 Houses of Parliament agree. Not going to happen.

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Reply #18 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:42pm

Cods

It may stay the same for the next 10 years, its a complex process to change it, to introduce it required over 370 separate changes to current legislation which I thought did not go far enough. A broad-based tax simplifies things but our current GST needs to be far broader, in that context I am happy for it to even come down as long as its revenue neutral.

To make it go up is both a big political challenge involving the sates and more importantly the electorate, you would need a better argument than fixing ALP ineptitude, just keep the ALP out of power fixes that, to raise the GST would need a very solid easy to understand argument. Given tax revenues have risen under the ALP ineptitude there is no argument for raising taxes. The problem is one of over spending by an inept ALP.

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Reply #19 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:45pm

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Sales Tax was a "hidden tax".

The GST is upfront. It can NOT be changed unless ALL States and the 2 Houses of Parliament agree. Not going to happen.

the states agreement is nothing more than a gentleman's agreement and not a binding one. ANd given that the states are in debt, can you imagine a single premier, labor or otherwise, saying no to extra money???

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Reply #20 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:56pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

The henry review was an excellent review of the tax system and extremely comprehensive. All the Coalition did was can it from the moment it was released and all the recommendations it contained.

Why do they want another review?q

good grief... what is it with you and your new-found LABOR-LOVE???? the Henry review was LABORS review and it was LABOR that rejected 146 out of the 150 recommendations. At least TRY and aim the blame where it is deserved.

When labour took four of the Henry reviews and added one of their own I was and still am ropeable.

The Henry review to be effective needed to be taken as a whole as the implications of a change in one will have an effect on another.

I would like to see the Coalition revisit the Henry Review, not waste another 10 million getting another one done for the sake of it.

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Reply #21 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Sales Tax was a "hidden tax".

The GST is upfront. It can NOT be changed unless ALL States and the 2 Houses of Parliament agree. Not going to happen.

the states agreement is nothing more than a gentleman's agreement and not a binding one. ANd given that the states are in debt, can you imagine a single premier, labor or otherwise, saying no to extra money???

Probably not, but it has to go through the Upper and Lower Houses as well. Krudd is scare mongering as he is wont to do. Who knows what will happen, eventually. Undecided

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Reply #23 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm

All three Neo-Lib parties would broaden and increase the GST, its in their DNA...only The Australian Socialist Equality Party will guarantee you not only that they will not increase and broaden the GST but that they will repeal it and introduce a steeply gradiated regime of progressive tax instead which will focus on fairness and equality. The Greens wont do this, the ALP and Coalition wont do this because they are not the progressive left alternative you are looking for
Australian Socialist Equality Party...

http://www.sep.org.au/website/
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Reply #24 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:15pm

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

... Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ...

The Sales Tax was a wholesale tax. It was levied on the last wholesale transaction before the first retail transaction. GST is levied on all transactions.

So:
- Sales Tax, levied on one transaction between warehouse and shop;
- GST, levied on every transaction.

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Reply #25 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:19pm

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:56pm:

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I would like to see the Coalition revisit the Henry Review, not waste another 10 million getting another one done for the sake of it.

Me too, but they'll most likely want a review that comes up with recommendations more to their liking. The Mining Tax began as a Henry recommendation, remember. Can't have their mates paying taxes, can we?

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Reply #26 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:20pm

# wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

... Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ...

The Sales Tax was a wholesale tax. It was levied on the last wholesale transaction before the first retail transaction. GST is levied on all transactions.

So:
- Sales Tax, levied on one transaction between warehouse and shop;
- GST, levied on every transaction.

on all RETAIL transactions. only the final consumer pays it (in net effect).

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Reply #27 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Sales Tax was a "hidden tax".

The GST is upfront. It can NOT be changed unless ALL States and the 2 Houses of Parliament agree. Not going to happen.

the states agreement is nothing more than a gentleman's agreement and not a binding one. ANd given that the states are in debt, can you imagine a single premier, labor or otherwise, saying no to extra money???

LW you are another of the band who in 2007 when claiming that Labor were going to increase the GST pointed out that the locking mechanism was only legislation which is easily changed.

You have a record arguing both sides on the same topic.

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Reply #28 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

All three Neo-Lib parties would broaden and increase the GST, its in their DNA...only The Australian Socialist Equality Party will guarantee you not only that they will not increase and broaden the GST but that they will repeal it and introduce a steeply gradiated regime of progressive tax instead which will focus on fairness and equality. The Greens wont do this, the ALP and Coalition wont do this because they are not the progressive left alternative you are looking for
Australian Socialist Equality Party...

http://www.sep.org.au/website/
... Cool

No, Whitey, only a proletariat revolution will achieve the aims of Australian workers. The Australian Socialist Equality Party are capitalist stooges.

All wages shall be paid by the state. No more bourgeois capitalist appeasement. We need to seize the means of production and do away with taxes for good.

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Reply #29 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Got anything we didn't all know ??

The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax.

People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST.

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