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Reply #30 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:31pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Got anything we didn't all know ??

The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax.

People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST.

and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST. people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST.

Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument?

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Reply #31 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

this is pitiful. there will be no change in the GST during the next govt. that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that.

The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.

Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms.

Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money.

Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper.

In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies.

they are NOT specifically including the GST. they are just not specifically EXCLUDING anything. that was the major weakness of the Henry review in that Rudd told him what he could and couldn't look at. a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's.

and you have an iron-clad agreement that there will be no changes to the GST in the next govt. What more do you want or expect?

no changes to the GST in the next govt

When Spears asked if it applied to the next term Abbott responded that there will be no change to the GST.

What he said applied past the next term and excluded all or any change.

a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's.

So you review the items where you have already locked in the result - pretty stupid spending a heap of money when the decision has already been made and locked in concrete.

you really are a stupid and incredibly petty person. You give Gillard a free pass pn her comprehensive lie about the carbon tax (yes, LIE!) and yet wank on endlessly about an Abbott promise regarding the GST for a term that has not yet commenced for a govt not yet elected.

your credibility is like Rudds. liar and now cheater.

All I did was point out that what Abbott said was different from what you attributed him saying ???? You conservatives need all the help you can get with comprehension ???

You went a bit over the top probably because you don't like being wrong - sorry about that.

We are not talking about Gillards broken promise here its about the Never ever GST under any government I lead tax. The biggest new tax we were ever promised we would never ever have tax.

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Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise.
Reply #32 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Got anything we didn't all know ??

The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax.

People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST.

and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST. people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST.

Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument?

These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little.

At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people.

These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase.

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Reply #33 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:42pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

All three Neo-Lib parties would broaden and increase the GST, its in their DNA...only The Australian Socialist Equality Party will guarantee you not only that they will not increase and broaden the GST but that they will repeal it and introduce a steeply gradiated regime of progressive tax instead which will focus on fairness and equality. The Greens wont do this, the ALP and Coalition wont do this because they are not the progressive left alternative you are looking for
Australian Socialist Equality Party...

http://www.sep.org.au/website/
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No, Whitey, only a proletariat revolution will achieve the aims of Australian workers. The Australian Socialist Equality Party are capitalist stooges.

All wages shall be paid by the state. No more bourgeois capitalist appeasement. We need to seize the means of production and do away with taxes for good.

Bolsheviks will not do away with progressive taxation because that is the best way to clamp down on bourgeoisie criminal exploitation and black economy activity.. The struggle never ends ...

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Reply #34 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

We are not talking about Gillards broken promise here its about the Never ever GST under any government I lead tax. The biggest new tax we were ever promised we would never ever have tax.

The GST was announced before Howard won the election, he never said never ever, quite the contrary.
But your labor, if you are so generous, why don't you abolish the GST? Oh no, you'd rather have another tax on something, and whinge and whinge about the GST, which you keep forgetting to remove, why would you, it's nice to have it in your fat little pockets, isn't it?

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If GST rises by 5%, then your income must also rise by 5%. Which means you will either become unemployed or underpaid. Choose wisely

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96659	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #35 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:48pm AXE THE TAX.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #36 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:49pm I personally do not believe that we will have an increase in GST but I think it would be 100% more likely that the Liberals would do it than Labor.
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Reply #37 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:55pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

All three Neo-Lib parties would broaden and increase the GST, its in their DNA...only The Australian Socialist Equality Party will guarantee you not only that they will not increase and broaden the GST but that they will repeal it and introduce a steeply gradiated regime of progressive tax instead which will focus on fairness and equality. The Greens wont do this, the ALP and Coalition wont do this because they are not the progressive left alternative you are looking for
Australian Socialist Equality Party...

http://www.sep.org.au/website/
... Cool

No, Whitey, only a proletariat revolution will achieve the aims of Australian workers. The Australian Socialist Equality Party are capitalist stooges.

All wages shall be paid by the state. No more bourgeois capitalist appeasement. We need to seize the means of production and do away with taxes for good.

Bolcheviks will not do away with progressive taxation because that is the best way to clamp down on bourgeoisie criminal exploitation and black economy activity.. The struggle never ends ...

The only way to destroy the kulak elements is to crush them entirely. In the interim stage of socialism taxes may not be abolished, but the transition to communism MUST see this happen. We're seeking to end class struggle here, not having a bourgeois garden party.

This transition will be managed by the people for the people. Only the vanguard of the proletariat and its true leader can achieve this historical transformation.

I trust you know who that is, comrade.

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Reply #38 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Got anything we didn't all know ??

The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax.

People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST.

and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST. people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST.

Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument?

These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little.

At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people.

These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase.

you are a complete wanker. I don't think even anyone in the ALP would concur with your masturbatory nonsense. Why don't you email Bob Ellis and offer to write and article for IA. It would be right in tune with the mental illness on display there.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96659	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #39 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:57pm Forget your bourgeois "socialist" frauds, comrade. Only a full workers' revolution will achieve our ends. Right on.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #40 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:39pm Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe.....
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139651 Gender:	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #41 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:41pm Swagman wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans!
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #42 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:42pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans! I like Turtles
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139651 Gender:	Re: What Are The Odds On A GST Rise. Reply #43 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:43pm Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans! I like Turtles Tax the boats!
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Reply #44 - Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

AXE THE TAX.

Tax the Axe.....

Stop the slogans!

I like Turtles

Tax the boats!

Tax the Tax

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And why not, if you will permit me; why shouldn’t I, if you will permit me; spend my first week as prime minister, should that happen, on this, on your, country - Abbott with the Garma People Aug 13

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