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Reply #30 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 11:43pm
 
He showed you pictures of reforestation projects, where you claimed there was "no tree planting going on anywhere".

He showed you vast tracts of native greenery - even in what was previously desert - where you claimed "the only thing growing in the land of Islam is a collection of plastic bottles and rubbish along the side of the roads".

Are you really going to continue attempting to defend this ridiculous argument of yours?
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Reply #31 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 12:36am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 11:43pm:
He showed you pictures of reforestation projects, where you claimed there was "no tree planting going on anywhere".

He showed you vast tracts of native greenery - even in what was previously desert - where you claimed "the only thing growing in the land of Islam is a collection of plastic bottles and rubbish along the side of the roads".

Are you really going to continue attempting to defend this ridiculous argument of yours?


My argument is that if you go to the Middle East you will drive around for days on end looking at sand and rocks. The only thing you will see beside the road is not trees that have been planted, but piles of rubbish. A few native forests in Lebanon is hardly proof of tree planting for the last 1300 years throughout the Islamic lands. Lebanon has had forest long before Muhammad raped his first child. If you want to see tree planting going on in the Middle East then you have to go to Israel. Even then it is still mostly isolated to the Sea of Galilee and along the Syrian border. The areas along the Dead Sea look like the rest of the Middle East; a rocky barren sandpit (funny enough, these barren areas seem to be where most of the Muslims live)
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Reply #32 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:16am
 
Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 12:36am:
Lebanon has had forest long before Muhammad raped his first child


And yet this is an example of something "growing in the land of islam" that isn't "a collection of plastic bottles and rubbish..." Add to that the forest and bush lands of Syria, Jordan, Oman, Yemen etc...

Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 12:36am:
If you want to see tree planting going on in the Middle East then you have to go to Israel.


Uhhh except all the tree planting projects in Saudi Arabia - including a 4 million square metre forest between Mecca and Jedda that TC just showed us.  Cheesy

Can we just agree that you are completely full of sh!t here so we can all move on please?  Smiley
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Reply #33 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 3:23am
 
Charlie has conversations with plants. Enough said.
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Reply #34 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 7:55am
 
I found a few more verses and hadeeth that are relevant:


The importance of nature's balance is mentioned in the Quran:


“Verily, all things have We created by measure” (Quran 54:49)

“…Everything to Him is measured.” (Quran 13:8)

“And We have produced therein everything in balance.” (Quran 55:7)


So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
(Quran 55:9)


“There shall be no damage and no infliction of damage.” (Al-Hakim)

“The world is beautiful and verdant, and verily God, be He exalted, has made you His stewards in it, and He sees how you acquit yourselves.” (Saheeh Muslim)


“There is a reward in doing good to every living thing.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim)

Every animal is a worshipper of God - even an ant.

“The seven heavens and the earth and all the beings therein proclaim His glory: There is not a thing but celebrates His praise, but you understand not how they declare His glory…” (Quran 17:44)

There are several hadeeth explaining that the recompense for starving an animal is Hell. There are also several hadeeth explaining that providing water to thirsty animals can save people from going to Hell.

The Most Merciful One is merciful towards those who are merciful. Act kindly to those on the earth so that those in the heavens [the angels] will be merciful to you. (Tirmithi)
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Reply #35 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 9:33am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:16am:
Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 12:36am:
Lebanon has had forest long before Muhammad raped his first child


And yet this is an example of something "growing in the land of islam" that isn't "a collection of plastic bottles and rubbish..." Add to that the forest and bush lands of Syria, Jordan, Oman, Yemen etc...



Which have not been planted by Muslims as some tree growing exercise as part of their religion. You are getting seriously desperate in your attemp to defend true colours BS.

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Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 12:36am:
If you want to see tree planting going on in the Middle East then you have to go to Israel.


Uhhh except all the tree planting projects in Saudi Arabia - including a 4 million square metre forest between Mecca and Jedda that TC just showed us.  Cheesy

Can we just agree that you are completely full of sh!t here so we can all move on please?  Smiley


You have never gone to the Middle East have you? That can be the only reason for your ignorant naive view about your holy lands.

Saudi Arabia is 2,150,000 square km. Your defence is that they have planted 4 square km of trees. That's all you have put forward. You write it as square meters to make it sound big. 4,000,000 square meters makes it sound a lot. But this isnt office space we are taking about. 1300 years of environmentalism and all you have is a recent development of 4 square km; and that is just Saudi Arabia. Look how big the rest of the Islamic lands are and where is all the tree planting?

You Muslims really think that all us infidels came down in the last shower. Your arguments are BS.


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Reply #36 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:26am
 
Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 9:33am:
Which have not been planted by Muslims as some tree growing exercise as part of their religion. You are getting seriously desperate in your attemp to defend true colours BS.


You really want to keep going with this dance?

I'll remind you again of what you said:

Quantum wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 12:48pm:
Do you really think none of us have been to the home of Islam; The Middle East. Outside of just a handful of cities the place is a desert wasteland. There is no tree planting going on anywhere. Even the cities with them are hardly green. Just a few gardens, mostly around tourist areas and government properties. The only thing growing in the land of Islam is a collection of plastic bottles and rubbish along the side of the roads. When it comes to rees, they haven't exactly had a Napoleon renovating the place.   


BS claim #1: apart from a few gardens in a handful of cities, the islamic middle east is "a desert wasteland". TC just gave you a whole swag of pictures showing this is clearly not the case.

BS claim #2: "there is no tree planting going on anywhere". TC just showed you half a dozen or so tree planting projects in Saudi Arabia alone.

You are clearly now attempting to qualify your original claims of completely zero native greenery (outside a "handful of cities") and not a single tree planting project - by turning it into some watered down statement of "well this is mostly the case", but it is still important to remember what you originally tried to claim. Why? Because bigotry like yours is built on stereotypes like this - making sweeping generalisations like "islam is crap because in the land of islam its *ALL* poo and desert and rubbish - and no effort is being made to improve it". So when the stereotypes that form the basis of prejudice are shown to be full of sh!t (as it has been here), then the prejudice itself comes into serious questioning.
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Reply #37 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:38am
 
Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 12:36am:

...if you go to the Middle East you will drive around for days on end looking at sand and rocks.






...
The land of Israel...

Deuteronomy 11:12
....the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it....




The borderline between Egypt and Israel, going from the Mediterranean sea to Elat, is visible from space.

The land is darker, more vegetated, on the Israel side.

Why so ?








Deuteronomy 11:10
For the land, whither thou goest in to possess it, is not as the land of Egypt, from whence ye came out, where thou sowedst thy seed, and wateredst it with thy foot, as a garden of herbs:
11  But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven:
12  A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year.
13  And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,
14  That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.
15  And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.



Leviticus 25:23
The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.






What is the name of Israel ?

Google;
israel, a prince with god


The name of Israel [in this world], is a 'standard' [to rally to], for those who love God - AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.




Psalms 83:4
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

To the Israelites, God said....
Leviticus 25:23
The land shall not be sold for ever: FOR THE LAND IS MINE; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.

Joel 1:6
For a nation is come up upon MY LAND,...

Joel 2:18
Then will the LORD be jealous for HIS LAND, and pity his people.

Joel 3:2
I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted MY LAND.

Zechariah 12:2
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3  And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Isaiah 14:26
This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
27  For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

Isaiah 51:17
Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the LORD the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
18  There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.
19  These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee?
20  Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the LORD, the rebuke of thy God.
21  Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine:
22  Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:
23  But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over.

Isaiah 52:1
Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.
2  Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.
3  For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.

Psalms 122:6
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.







OPEN YOUR EYES.

Isaiah 40:1
Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
2  Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
3  The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #38 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:53am
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:38am:
The borderline between Egypt and Israel, going from the Mediterranean sea to Elat, is visible from space.

The land is darker, more vegetated, on the Israel side.


Why so ?


Um.. because the image stops at the Sinai Desert? Extend the image just a bit more to the west and you will no doubt see the extemsive "darkness" of the Nile Delta. Also there is a pretty large expanse of "dark" to the east of Israel in Syria, and also to the north in Lebanon.
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Reply #39 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 12:08pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:53am:
Yadda wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:38am:
The borderline between Egypt and Israel, going from the Mediterranean sea to Elat, is visible from space.

The land is darker, more vegetated, on the Israel side.


Why so ?


Um.. because the image stops at the Sinai Desert? Extend the image just a bit more to the west and you will no doubt see the extemsive "darkness" of the Nile Delta. Also there is a pretty large expanse of "dark" to the east of Israel in Syria, and also to the north in Lebanon.




gandalf,

Is your point, that a tributary of the Nile river must run along the Israeli side, of the Egypt and Israel border ???



gandalf,


I ask again;

In this arid area, why is the land darker, more vegetated, on the Israel side of the border between Egypt and Israel ???








...
The land of Israel...

Deuteronomy 11:12
....the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it....




The borderline between Egypt and Israel, going from the Mediterranean sea to Elat, is visible from space.

The land is darker, more vegetated, on the Israel side.

Why so ?






p.s.

The 'demarcation' line is clearly visible on the image.

But gandalf does not have eyes that can discriminate a difference - between Egypt, and Israel.

Tongue
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Reply #40 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 1:30pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:26am:
Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 9:33am:
Which have not been planted by Muslims as some tree growing exercise as part of their religion. You are getting seriously desperate in your attemp to defend true colours BS.


You really want to keep going with this dance?

I'll remind you again of what you said:

Quantum wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 12:48pm:
Do you really think none of us have been to the home of Islam; The Middle East. Outside of just a handful of cities the place is a desert wasteland. There is no tree planting going on anywhere. Even the cities with them are hardly green. Just a few gardens, mostly around tourist areas and government properties. The only thing growing in the land of Islam is a collection of plastic bottles and rubbish along the side of the roads. When it comes to rees, they haven't exactly had a Napoleon renovating the place.   


BS claim #1: apart from a few gardens in a handful of cities, the islamic middle east is "a desert wasteland". TC just gave you a whole swag of pictures showing this is clearly not the case.

BS claim #2: "there is no tree planting going on anywhere". TC just showed you half a dozen or so tree planting projects in Saudi Arabia alone.

You are clearly now attempting to qualify your original claims of completely zero native greenery (outside a "handful of cities") and not a single tree planting project - by turning it into some watered down statement of "well this is mostly the case", but it is still important to remember what you originally tried to claim. Why? Because bigotry like yours is built on stereotypes like this - making sweeping generalisations like "islam is crap because in the land of islam its *ALL* poo and desert and rubbish - and no effort is being made to improve it". So when the stereotypes that form the basis of prejudice are shown to be full of sh!t (as it has been here), then the prejudice itself comes into serious questioning.


And your entire argument is that if someone pisses in the desert it is no longer a desert. You are trying to find the smallest exception to disqualify the norm. Funny how this logic doesn't work both ways though. If one Muslim out of a thousand blows up a bus it is in no way a reflection on them or the religion as a whole. But plant a few trees in an area of hundreds of thousands of square km and the place is a shinning example of environment transformation.

Lets be clear on this. The northan parts of the Middle East are full of trees. Everyone knows this! This area was green long before Islam existed. In no way is this evidence of Islam planting trees. The southern part of the Middle East - the part where Islam actually stated from - is sand and rock with the occasional tree and shrub area. Again, nothing new. No one actually believes that the south areas of the Middle East are devoid of any plants at all. Again, this has nothing to do with Islam. So where is the evidence of Islam planting trees? So far we have seen pictures of an area claimed to be 4 square km. 1300 years and this is the only evidence presented. You will have to do a lot better than that before you can claim BS on anything I've said.
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Reply #41 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:15pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 12:53pm:
Mark Twain visited Israel in 1867, and published his impressions in Innocents Abroad.  He described a desolate country – devoid of both vegetation and human population:


LOL

I am tempted to post this in the retarded islamophobes thread.

Yadda, you do realise that there was no Israel until 1948?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #42 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:23pm
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:15pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 12:53pm:
Mark Twain visited Israel in 1867, and published his impressions in Innocents Abroad.  He described a desolate country – devoid of both vegetation and human population:


LOL

I am tempted to post this in the retarded islamophobes thread.

Yadda, you do realise that there was no Israel until 1948?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Try to follow the argument for once.

The land in question is modern day Israel. This is a comparison of that land then (1867) till the land today. It is no different to saying that hundreds or thousands of years ago people landed in Australia. But the name Australia didn't exist back then either. We say "Australia" so people know what land is being talked about.

Stop trying to catch people out. You are looking like a bigger idiot every post you make.
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Reply #43 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:46pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:53am:
Yadda wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:38am:
The borderline between Egypt and Israel, going from the Mediterranean sea to Elat, is visible from space.

The land is darker, more vegetated, on the Israel side.


Why so ?


Um.. because the image stops at the Sinai Desert? Extend the image just a bit more to the west and you will no doubt see the extemsive "darkness" of the Nile Delta. Also there is a pretty large expanse of "dark" to the east of Israel in Syria, and also to the north in Lebanon.


Good question Yadda. My first thought would be goats.

Gandalf, you have completely missed the point. Have another look at the picture and the question Yadda asked. The answer has nothing to do with where the image ends.
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Reply #44 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 3:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 2:46pm:
Gandalf, you have completely missed the point. Have another look at the picture and the question Yadda asked. The answer has nothing to do with where the image ends.


The "point" Yadda was attempting to make was that the backwardness of Egypt is evidenced by the contrast in cultivated greenery between the two sides of the Egypt-Israel border. East of the border lies the great advanced "green" state of Israel, to the west, the backward primitive "desert" state of Egypt. My point is that the border of Egypt runs through the Sinai Desert. *MY* point is that the cultivation of Egypt is not defined by what is or isn't cultivated in the Sinai desert. The Sinai Desert comprises a tiny fraction of the Egyptian state. The Egyptian state is basically built along the fertile land of the Nile delta - as it has been for about 10 thousand years. So if you would only extend Yadda's satelite image a few hundred kms west, we would all marvel at the wonders of the "green" Egyptian state. It would be a bit like saying Australia is a backward uncultivated country - by pointing to the great expanse of the central deserts, while ignoring the huge amount of productive land on the eastern half.
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