That fenceline provides a perfect comparison Gandalf. Comparing the Nile delta with the Israeli desert is utterly meaningless, though it is no surprise that you attempt to deflect to that. On the other hand comparing either side of the fenceline does tell you something. I'm not sure what the answer is yet, but I know for certain it is not "hey, look over there".

You might as well tell your neighbour who complains about the dust blowing out of your backyard that the important point is how green it is in the Amazon.

I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps you think Muslims are responsible for building the Nile river and reclaiming the delta from the sea, but that fenceline is just an accident of geography.

True Colours wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:


Well, Israel means a struggle with G_d. Perhaps Y was referring to that.

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:46pm:


FD,

No argument.

Clearly the land along that border area, in Egypt, is being more heavily grazed.

But the contrast along that border, also is indicative of the contrast between how the Jewish people manage a resource, and how moslems manage the same resource.

i.e.
ISLAMIC culture would tend to allow 'righteous' ['can do no wrong'] moslems to always over exploit and 'rape' resources which fall under their control.

And the example along the Egypt/Israel border just highlights and is indicative of the difference between how Jewish culture and how ISLAMIC culture treats a natural resource like land - imo.i

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No FD, there is clearly a Zionist river under the land on the Israeli side of the border.

are prolly siphoning off the water for their secret underground Zionist river, from the Egyptian Nile!!!

Those Zionists are stealing Egyptian water, for their secret Zionist river using a secret Zionist pipeline from Egypt!!

Honest!






ALSO,

Dontyaknow, that those Zionists have been training poisonous snakes to attack Palestinians.

We should more properly refer to these serpents as 'ZIONIST snakes'!



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/israel-incites-snake-attacks.html
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Those ingenious, sneaky, dastardly Zionists!!!!!

Those Zionists are just too clever for us slaves of Allah!



Or, maybe the Zionists have cast spells on the snakes, with the aid of SATAN ?

Yes! That is it!!!!

SATAN is working with the Zionists, to attack the innocent moslems!

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:


You are a particularly special breed of stupid aren't you. You complain about kindergarten stuff, read what you have above.

"Smallest exceptions are all I need to debunk the stupid claims you were making."

Really?

* Can someone say Australia is hot? Not when you're around. It snows in Australia.
* Can someone say Australia is dry? Not when you're around. It rains in Australia.
* Can someone say Russia is cold? Not when you're around. They get hot days in Russia.
* Can someone say Siberia is full of trees? Not when you're around. There are some areas where there are no trees.
* Can we say that the Arctic is made of Ice? Not when you're around. There are some rocks up there as well.

Any more stupid examples needed? Your idea that you need just one tiny example to disqualify the norm is beyond retarded. More retarded is when you are changing the subject!

"The fact that there are a few trees being planted is enough to debunk your original claim,"

"I'd say their comparitive lack of environmental transformation is due to the fact that they are doing fine without it"

"If I showed you only one tree being planted by the Saudis, then that already makes your argument BS."

Forgetting what this is about so quickly? The tree planting was supposed to be for religious reasons to be environmental. Did you forget the opening post? The original claim was that Islam says to plant trees, hence Islam is good for the environment.

* 1 Tree would not be proof of that being put into practice!
* A small park would not be proof of this being put into practice!
* Economical reasons would not excuse neglecting this command!
* The fact that there are areas that have had trees there for thousands of years does not show this being put into practice!

Do I need to make it clearer?

* True colours argument is that Islam is environmentally friendly because it plants tress.
* My argument is that you can go all over the Middle east and you won't see this tree planting happening (except in Israel)
* Your argument is that if the Saudis plant just one smacking tree then that proves True Colours claim.

You are so desperate to argue in the favour of Islam you don't even know what the bugger it is you are arguing about.

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:


Really? I must be having problems with my sight then. Here it is again:



I reckon about 75% of that border is identical on both sides - ie where all the rocks and mountains are. I'm pretty sure no agricultural improvements have been going on there - either side of the border.

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:


Thats exactly what I'm saying - in the small part that you can actually see a difference. Funnily enough, the Gazans seem to be doing the same. Maybe something to do with both the Gazans and Israelis not having much choice about what land they need to use?

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:


I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Does anyone actually live in the Sinai? What evidence is there that the region has been over-exploited - or exploited at all? The vast majority of Egyptians live along the Nile Delta - I've never heard of that area being so overused that they need to start exploiting the Sinai (a tiny part of the country) to ease the burden on the Nile. Have you? Yadda seems to think its been "raped" to the point of being unusable. Is there any evidence that they have exploited that area at all - let alone "raped"??

Quantum wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:


No, comparable statements would be:

- Australia is entirely hot
- Australia is entirely dry
- There are no areas in Sibera where there are no trees

etc etc...

Again, what you said:

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No tree planting going on anywhere in the muslim world - none, nada, zilch. I therefore have to show you just one tree being planted to disprove this statement.

Nothing growing in the land of islam except plastic bottles and rubbish - no plant life growing - none, nada, zilch. I therefore have to show you just one plant growin in the land of islam to disprove this statement.

Am I getting through yet?

You have of course accepted the absurdity of your claim by talking now about such plant life being an insignificant exception to the rule - though you refuse to acknowledge this openly.

But who cares right? Your point is clearly that planting and revegetation is not the islamic world's strong point. Fair enough. But your original BS claim betrays classic prejudism that is expressed through outrageous stereotypes ("all black people are stupid", "all jews are crooks" - and "all muslims are unclean and don't give a hoot about the environment"). Once your stereotypes are blown out of the water, the prejudices that those stereotypes are based on, are called into some serious questioning.

Quantum wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:


Prejudice is born from these absolutes. Its not a trivial matter. Debunking these stereotypes is critical to exposing prejudice for what it is - ignorant bigotry that has little basis in fact.

Quantum wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:


Isn't there? Depends on your definition of "mass". TC posted quite a few pictures of what looked liked fairly substantial tree planting projects. I have also found other projects in the UAE and Syria. Google tree planting in the arab world, and its fairly clear that there is quite a bit of awareness amongst arabs, and quite a few projects are both being implemented and in the pipeline. The evidence suggests that your portrayal of a trash-infested barren arab world, where there is no interest in environmental issues, is dubious at best.

Yes I have FD - it is clearly visible.

Here you go, perhaps this will help. I have added an arrow where I think the light/dark contrast becomes visible on the border. South of that arrow is just as dark on either side of the border as far as I'm concerned. I also added another marker to point out another area of greenery - this is in Syria. Does this mean that Syria is awesome like Israel?



Also this might be useful:



Map of all of Egypt. Notice the great big patch of green along the Nile, especially at the top? Thats the heart and soul of Egypt - not the Sinai. I have also added a marker to show the same Israeli-Egypt border position from the original image.

Again, do you have any evidence that the Sinai on the Egyptian side of the border was ever over-exploited or "raped" by muslims to make it unfarmable? No. The Sinai was never farmed - cultivated or grazed. It has a population of less than a million, and tourism is almost its sole industry.