polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 8:11pm:


Again I have to ask if you have ever actually been to the Middle East? Forget websites looking to talk up the great work being done. Actually seen it?

Turkey is clean, no doubt about that. At least the western half of the country. Cleaner than Israel even, which is actually a bit over rated. But Jordan? Egypt? Cairo is a tip. Even indian cities are cleaner than that place. The roads in and out have little walls of rubbish to either side where the junk has been built up like snow. Much the same can be said for the roads in Jordan and Lebanon (at least the southern area). These are hardly indicators of having a plan for the environment. One off government works hardly cover up the norm.

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:


I literally can't fathom your confusion.

Israel is tiny and has a far higher population density than Egypt - about 352 per square km compared to about 82 per square km. Israel have obviously deemed it extremely important to develop and cultivate all the possible land they can. Egypt can be much more picky, and in fact rely on, and have always relied on for about 10 thousand years, on the Nile River. The Nile River does not run through the Sinai. 

Its actually an acknowledgement of Israel's achievement - they have, through necessity, made the desert bloom. They should be commended for that. Egypt on the other hand have the gift of the Nile, they have it much easier. They haven't had the need to improve and develop the desert of the Sinai. So I really don't know why you and Yadda are complaining about deflections and dishonesty. Is it because I won't partake in the absurd game of pretending its all due to irresponsible over-cultivating and "raping" of the soil by muslims?

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 10:23pm:


Whatever. I still don't see it. In any case my point is still valid. If its greener its because the Israelis made it greener - not because the Egyptians made their side less green.

True Colours wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 12:55am:


Who the bugger are you trying to kid sonny? Often better than Australia you say... one of the cleanest countries in the world, but not often as clean as the Middle East

Do you really think anyone will believe that you have been all over the Middle East and some how found it fairly clean? FFS.

Cairo. No different to any Sydney Suburb really.



Jordan. Could be along any Australian road.



No one can go through the Middle East and think it is clean. Especially not to Australian levels, which not being Singapore type spotless, is still unbelievably clean on a world scale.

That picture from Jordan is not some one off bit along the road. You can drive for ages along any Jordan road and the rubbish just never ends. Km after km, a never ending snake of rubbish along the side of the road.   

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I think you have that back to front. There are more Muslims in Lebanon then any other religion by a long way. Funny enough it the southern and mostly Muslim areas that has the dirties streets.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 11:19pm:



gandalf,

is that the borderline between Egypt and Israel, going from the Mediterranean sea to Elat, is visible from space.

On one side of the border is Israel - the land is managed by Jews.

On the other side of the border is Egypt - the land is managed by Mohammedan's.

So what ? .....you ask ?



This is my [already stated] point.....

Yadda wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:38pm:



What is wrong with my argument gandalf ?

Look again, at the photo-map of Israel from space.







gandalf,

Q.
1/ If the Mohammedan's are more righteous than Jews,
2/ if the Mohammedan's have a more virtuous and righteous culture, more righteous than anyone else on the planet [i.e. because Mohammedan's follow Allah's Koranic laws vs every one else's 'man-made laws'],
3/ if ISLAM is Allah's perfect religion for all of mankind,
then why is there less desertification on the Jewish side of the Egypt/Israel border [when the Jews are sub-humans [the children of apes and pigs], a people that Allah says moslems must exterminate] ?




gandalf,

Allah declares that the moslem is superior to other people, BECAUSE OF HIS INDISPUTABLE VIRTUE.

Allah's perfect 'religion' affirms it to them!

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110





So if moslems are people 'enjoining what is right, [and] forbidding what is wrong', why do 'righteous' moslems 'tend' to create deserts - wherever they have lived ?

The whole of North Africa [has been ISLAMIC for the past 1,400 years], Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jordan, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt.



e.g.
Why have Indonesians [and Malaysians] been raping [destroying] their unique rainforests for the last few decades ?

Is it because they can ?




And what will be left, when they have chopped down all of their unique rainforests ?

A landscape full of Palm oil plantations ?

Yadda wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 2:05am:


Y, as I've attempted to explain many times now, if Israel don't develop the land on their side of the Egyptian border, they don't have much land left to develop. Egypt on the other hand has many times more land than Israel, and can be a bit more picky with choosing which land to develop. Why don't they make the Sinai desert bloom? Probably because its not economical to do so. They can stick to the Nile Delta and be quite comfortable. Especially now they have the High Aswan Dam.

As I said, Israel should be commended for what they have achieved, but its by no means a reflection on what the Egyptians, or any other neighbouring musims haven't achieved - or what you were attempting to claim before - what they have destroyed. What about the Gazans Y? How do you explain the fact that their land is just as dark as the Israeli land? Are you going to argue that Hamas are great advanced environmental managers? By your logic you should.

Incidentally, if you want to look at great achievements by muslims in advancing a nation in a desolate desert, look no further at Gaddafi's incredible system of aquifers that make up the world's largest man-made irigation system. A system that helped Libya achieve the highest standard of living in all of Africa.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 3:12am:

I have Gandalf don't like them much myself Dubai for instance does not have a sewage system.



Maybe they find other things more important.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2392892/Roman-Abramovich-loses-worlds-bi...

Did you know that Byzantium north Africa was one of the most productive food bowls it was the largest grower of olives in the world at the time. Now it is a desert. I wonder if that is climate change or laziness by the inhabitants?

http://www.amazon.com/Byzantium-Surprising-Life-Medieval-Empire/dp/0691143692

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 12:11pm:


The hoax slayer has been proved wrong on several occasions.

Dubai still trucks about 1/4 of their sewerage in.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22598906

Dubai 1955-
Cement imports started
Stainless steel kitchenware imported from India
Toyota cars intoduced.

Dubai 1956-
First concrete block house is built
Dubai police force founded

Dubai 1959-
First airport opens
Airline hotel opens with 8 rooms and kerosene lighting

Dubai 1961-
Dubai's first central water supply system is installed.
First power station starts delivering electricity

1963-
Dubai builds first bridge

1964-
Satwa and Karama were the first to receive running water

1965- first street lights installed

www.dubaiasitusedtobe.com/pages/singlepages/timeline1.shtm#.Ug1Rrn_F-ho

All those Islamic contributions to science somehow bypassed Dubai!

At least Dubai is a little more progressive in jailing rape victims instead of stoning them to death.