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Reply #60 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:11pm
 
Perhaps you should get your eyes checked Gandalf. There is a very clear difference along the whole border. The second map you posted makes the difference look even more dramatic. The only reasonable conclusion is that something man-made is causing a difference in the landscape that is big enough to be obvious from space.

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Thats the heart and soul of Egypt - not the Sinai.


Not sure why you keep pointing this out. Does Islam only apply at the heart and soul of Egypt? Are Egyptians unaware that the rest of the country exists?
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Reply #61 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 8:11pm:
Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 7:41pm:
Even here we needed 2 pages to get down to the heart of the issue. Your ridiculous reading of the word "anywhere" and "the only thing" to be taken as absolutes.


Prejudice is born from these absolutes. Its not a trivial matter. Debunking these stereotypes is critical to exposing prejudice for what it is - ignorant bigotry that has little basis in fact.

Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 7:41pm:
There is no mass tree planting effort in the name of Islam


Isn't there? Depends on your definition of "mass". TC posted quite a few pictures of what looked liked fairly substantial tree planting projects. I have also found other projects in the UAE and Syria. Google tree planting in the arab world, and its fairly clear that there is quite a bit of awareness amongst arabs, and quite a few projects are both being implemented and in the pipeline. The evidence suggests that your portrayal of a trash-infested barren arab world, where there is no interest in environmental issues, is dubious at best.


Again I have to ask if you have ever actually been to the Middle East? Forget websites looking to talk up the great work being done. Actually seen it?

Turkey is clean, no doubt about that. At least the western half of the country. Cleaner than Israel even, which is actually a bit over rated. But Jordan? Egypt? Cairo is a tip. Even indian cities are cleaner than that place. The roads in and out have little walls of rubbish to either side where the junk has been built up like snow. Much the same can be said for the roads in Jordan and Lebanon (at least the southern area). These are hardly indicators of having a plan for the environment. One off government works hardly cover up the norm.
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Reply #62 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:23pm
 
Gandalf, take any section of that border from either picture, cut out a square the size of the arrow you drew next to it with the border cutting the square roughly in half, flip it and/or rotate it 90 degrees, and post it back up. We will tell you which side is Israel.

Then get your eyes checked. Or get a better monitor.
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Reply #63 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:11pm:
Not sure why you keep pointing this out. Does Islam only apply at the heart and soul of Egypt? Are Egyptians unaware that the rest of the country exists?


I literally can't fathom your confusion.

Israel is tiny and has a far higher population density than Egypt - about 352 per square km compared to about 82 per square km. Israel have obviously deemed it extremely important to develop and cultivate all the possible land they can. Egypt can be much more picky, and in fact rely on, and have always relied on for about 10 thousand years, on the Nile River. The Nile River does not run through the Sinai. 

Its actually an acknowledgement of Israel's achievement - they have, through necessity, made the desert bloom. They should be commended for that. Egypt on the other hand have the gift of the Nile, they have it much easier. They haven't had the need to improve and develop the desert of the Sinai. So I really don't know why you and Yadda are complaining about deflections and dishonesty. Is it because I won't partake in the absurd game of pretending its all due to irresponsible over-cultivating and "raping" of the soil by muslims?

freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:23pm:
Gandalf, take any section of that border from either picture, cut out a square the size of the arrow you drew next to it with the border cutting the square roughly in half, flip it and/or rotate it 90 degrees, and post it back up. We will tell you which side is Israel.


Whatever. I still don't see it. In any case my point is still valid. If its greener its because the Israelis made it greener - not because the Egyptians made their side less green.
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Reply #64 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 12:55am
 
Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:23pm:
Again I have to ask if you have ever actually been to the Middle East?


I have. I have lived in the Middle East, and have visited 10 of the major Arab cities in Western Asia. I have also driven thousands of kilometres through the region. I have seen the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea, and the Meditteranean from Arab lands. I found it fairly clean - in fact often better than Australia.

The fact is that the level of cleanliness is fairly relative to the wealth of the country. The Gulf countries are the cleanest.




Nearly 3/4 of Lebanon's population is either Christian, Shia, Druze or Jewish, so it is not really the place to see whether people are living by the environmental standards set out in Islamic hadeeth.
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Reply #65 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 1:47am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 12:55am:
Quantum wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:23pm:
Again I have to ask if you have ever actually been to the Middle East?


I have. I have lived in the Middle East, and have visited 10 of the major Arab cities in Western Asia. I have also driven thousands of kilometres through the region. I have seen the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea, and the Meditteranean from Arab lands. I found it fairly clean - in fact often better than Australia.


Who the bugger are you trying to kid sonny? Often better than Australia you say... one of the cleanest countries in the world, but not often as clean as the Middle East Cheesy

Do you really think anyone will believe that you have been all over the Middle East and some how found it fairly clean? FFS.

Cairo. No different to any Sydney Suburb really.

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Jordan. Could be along any Australian road.

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No one can go through the Middle East and think it is clean. Especially not to Australian levels, which not being Singapore type spotless, is still unbelievably clean on a world scale.

That picture from Jordan is not some one off bit along the road. You can drive for ages along any Jordan road and the rubbish just never ends. Km after km, a never ending snake of rubbish along the side of the road.   

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Nearly 3/4 of Lebanon's population is either Christian, Shia, Druze or Jewish, so it is not really the place to see whether people are living by the environmental standards set out in Islamic hadeeth.


I think you have that back to front. There are more Muslims in Lebanon then any other religion by a long way. Funny enough it the southern and mostly Muslim areas that has the dirties streets.
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Reply #66 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:02am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 12:55am:

I have. I have lived in the Middle East, and have visited 10 of the major Arab cities in Western Asia. I have also driven thousands of kilometres through the region. I have seen the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea, and the Meditteranean from Arab lands. I found it fairly clean - in fact often better than Australia.
Thats the biggest load of rubbish ever told, these countries are filthy sh!tholes with almost non existent sanitation programmes.. The middle east is almost exactly like Asia in this regard, the extreme proliferation of plastic rubbish almost everywhere with no consistent or viable plan to clean it up.
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Reply #67 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:05am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:19pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 10:11pm:
Not sure why you keep pointing this out. Does Islam only apply at the heart and soul of Egypt? Are Egyptians unaware that the rest of the country exists?


I literally can't fathom your confusion.

Israel is tiny and has a far higher population density than Egypt - about 352 per square km compared to about 82 per square km. Israel have obviously deemed it extremely important to develop and cultivate all the possible land they can. Egypt can be much more picky, and in fact rely on, and have always relied on for about 10 thousand years, on the Nile River. The Nile River does not run through the Sinai. 

Its actually an acknowledgement of Israel's achievement - they have, through necessity, made the desert bloom. They should be commended for that. Egypt on the other hand have the gift of the Nile, they have it much easier. They haven't had the need to improve and develop the desert of the Sinai. So I really don't know why you and Yadda are complaining about deflections and dishonesty. Is it because I won't partake in the absurd game of pretending its all due to irresponsible over-cultivating and "raping" of the soil by muslims?




gandalf,

The objective fact,
is that the borderline between Egypt and Israel, going from the Mediterranean sea to Elat, is visible from space.

On one side of the border is Israel - the land is managed by Jews.

On the other side of the border is Egypt - the land is managed by Mohammedan's.

So what ? .....you ask ?



This is my [already stated] point.....

Yadda wrote on Aug 14th, 2013 at 5:38pm:

....the example along the Egypt/Israel border just highlights and is indicative of the difference between how Jewish culture and how ISLAMIC culture treats a natural resource like land - imo.





What is wrong with my argument gandalf ?

Look again, at the photo-map of Israel from space.

On one side of the border is Israel - the land is managed by Jews.

On the other side of the border is Egypt - the land is managed by Mohammedan's.






gandalf,

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1/ If the Mohammedan's are more righteous than Jews,
2/ if the Mohammedan's have a more virtuous and righteous culture, more righteous than anyone else on the planet [i.e. because Mohammedan's follow Allah's Koranic laws vs every one else's 'man-made laws'],
3/ if ISLAM is Allah's perfect religion for all of mankind,
then why is there less desertification on the Jewish side of the Egypt/Israel border [when the Jews are sub-humans [the children of apes and pigs], a people that Allah says moslems must exterminate] ?




gandalf,

Allah declares that the moslem is superior to other people, BECAUSE OF HIS INDISPUTABLE VIRTUE.

Allah's perfect 'religion' affirms it to them!

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110





So if moslems are people 'enjoining what is right, [and] forbidding what is wrong', why do 'righteous' moslems 'tend' to create deserts - wherever they have lived ?

The whole of North Africa [has been ISLAMIC for the past 1,400 years], Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jordan, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt.



e.g.
Why have Indonesians [and Malaysians] been raping [destroying] their unique rainforests for the last few decades ?

Is it because they can ?




And what will be left, when they have chopped down all of their unique rainforests ?

A landscape full of Palm oil plantations ?


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Reply #68 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:32am
 
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Why have Indonesians [and Malaysians] been raping [destroying] their unique rainforests for the last few decades ?

Is it because they can ?




And what will be left, when they have chopped down all of their unique rainforests ?

A landscape full of Palm oil plantations ?





Google;
palm oil plantations, rainforests



In past centuries, the Indonesian [and Malaysian] rainforests were too extensive to quickly destroy 'by human hands', but now, because of the mechanisation of logging [using huge machinery] in the last few decades, vast areas in Indonesian and Malaysia have been deforested - for commercial gain - by a corrupted culture of greed.

Both of these societies have been predominantly influenced by ISLAMIC culture and 'values'.

No ?

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Reply #69 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:03am
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:05am:
gandalf,

Q.
1/ If the Mohammedan's are more righteous than Jews,
2/ if the Mohammedan's have a more virtuous and righteous culture, more righteous than anyone else on the planet [i.e. because Mohammedan's follow Allah's Koranic laws vs every one else's 'man-made laws'],
3/ if ISLAM is Allah's perfect religion for all of mankind,
then why is there less desertification on the Jewish side of the Egypt/Israel border [when the Jews are sub-humans [the children of apes and pigs], a people that Allah says moslems must exterminate] ?


Y, as I've attempted to explain many times now, if Israel don't develop the land on their side of the Egyptian border, they don't have much land left to develop. Egypt on the other hand has many times more land than Israel, and can be a bit more picky with choosing which land to develop. Why don't they make the Sinai desert bloom? Probably because its not economical to do so. They can stick to the Nile Delta and be quite comfortable. Especially now they have the High Aswan Dam.

As I said, Israel should be commended for what they have achieved, but its by no means a reflection on what the Egyptians, or any other neighbouring musims haven't achieved - or what you were attempting to claim before - what they have destroyed. What about the Gazans Y? How do you explain the fact that their land is just as dark as the Israeli land? Are you going to argue that Hamas are great advanced environmental managers? By your logic you should.

Incidentally, if you want to look at great achievements by muslims in advancing a nation in a desolate desert, look no further at Gaddafi's incredible system of aquifers that make up the world's largest man-made irigation system. A system that helped Libya achieve the highest standard of living in all of Africa.
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Reply #70 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:12am
 
Quantum wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 1:47am:
Who the bugger are you trying to kid sonny? Often better than Australia you say... one of the cleanest countries in the world, but not often as clean as the Middle East Cheesy

Do you really think anyone will believe that you have been all over the Middle East and some how found it fairly clean? FFS.


Have you been to the Gulf countries Quantum? TC did make special mention of them. I have heard they are very clean - which would support the idea that a nations' cleanliness is, more than anything, a function of the nation's wealth and prosperity.
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Reply #71 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 10:44am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:12am:
Have you been to the Gulf countries

I have Gandalf don't like them much myself Dubai for instance does not have a sewage system.



Maybe they find other things more important.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2392892/Roman-Abramovich-loses-worlds-bi...

Did you know that Byzantium north Africa was one of the most productive food bowls it was the largest grower of olives in the world at the time. Now it is a desert. I wonder if that is climate change or laziness by the inhabitants?

http://www.amazon.com/Byzantium-Surprising-Life-Medieval-Empire/dp/0691143692
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Reply #72 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 12:11pm
 
Adamant wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 10:44am:
Dubai for instance does not have a sewage system.


No adamant, you have fallen for a hoax:
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/dubai-sewage-trucks.shtml

Dubai has a functioning sewage system, but was stretched for a very brief period in 2009 due to rapid population growth. During that time trucks were brought in as a stop-gap measure before the required expansion of infrastructure was completed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_in_Dubai#2009_Sewage_Issues

Adamant wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 10:44am:
Did you know that Byzantium north Africa was one of the most productive food bowls it was the largest grower of olives in the world at the time. Now it is a desert. I wonder if that is climate change or laziness by the inhabitants?


Once again I think you are mistaken. I'm pretty sure the same areas that were used for olives during Byzantine rule are used for olives - and other crops - today. Those areas are not desert - but a temperate mediterranean climate where stuff can still grow.
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Reply #73 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:43pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
Adamant wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 10:44am:
Dubai for instance does not have a sewage system.


No adamant, you have fallen for a hoax:
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/dubai-sewage-trucks.shtml

Dubai has a functioning sewage system, but was stretched for a very brief period in 2009 due to rapid population growth. During that time trucks were brought in as a stop-gap measure before the required expansion of infrastructure was completed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_in_Dubai#2009_Sewage_Issues



The hoax slayer has been proved wrong on several occasions.

Dubai still trucks about 1/4 of their sewerage in.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22598906

Dubai 1955-
Cement imports started
Stainless steel kitchenware imported from India
Toyota cars intoduced.

Dubai 1956-
First concrete block house is built
Dubai police force founded

Dubai 1959-
First airport opens
Airline hotel opens with 8 rooms and kerosene lighting

Dubai 1961-
Dubai's first central water supply system is installed.
First power station starts delivering electricity

1963-
Dubai builds first bridge

1964-
Satwa and Karama were the first to receive running water

1965- first street lights installed

www.dubaiasitusedtobe.com/pages/singlepages/timeline1.shtm#.Ug1Rrn_F-ho

All those Islamic contributions to science somehow bypassed Dubai!

At least Dubai is a little more progressive in jailing rape victims instead of stoning them to death.




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Reply #74 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:54pm
 
The hoax was that, in adamant's words, Dubai "does not have a sewage system".

This I think you would agree is demonstrably untrue.
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